"Constantine" wrote:

I noticed something kinda funny about you unusual Brits and your equally peculiar system of government.

You say whatever the hell you are thinking to your leaders.

Like the Prime Minister's questions - sometimes they just get flat out rude and make wild accusations that have little to do with the topic.

Or like when Tony Blair was standing for reelection there was this show with British Youth that were asking all kinds of questions I was surprised - hard hitting reporter type questions.

Now I dunno if you get CSPAN or anything but if you get the opportunity look at our Senate debates. You [i]never[/i] challenge the legitimacy of one of the other Senators sources, you certainly don't accuse them of lying - in fact you don't accuse them of anything.

And it's understood there are certain questions one doesn't actually ask the President.

It's just not done.

I think it's the patriotism thing...

Although it wasn't always like that - about a century ago a senator from my state walked right into an in session senate and beat another senator nearly to death with a cane.

Whoa

LOL yeh exactly, Brits are way cooler than Americans in that respect, gotta say!

and yeh, i remember watching The Daily Show's take on this too.

I think we spend too much time perfecting our politics rather than our policies.

Ya gotta admit an American Politician is a breed apart.

lol either of you see the President Bush announcement of Lewis Libby's resignation? - I think it was on the Daily Show

"Constantine" wrote:

I think we spend too much time perfecting our politics rather than our policies.

Ya gotta admit an American Politician is a breed apart.

lol either of you see the President Bush announcement of Lewis Libby's resignation? - I think it was on the Daily Show

American politician? Ha!

This clip of Lott is very funny.. 'Man, woman or minority.'
http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=24511

I don't understand why Stewart invites people he clearly doesn't get on with onto the show yet pretends that they have some sort of pre-existant relationship.

I saw the one with William Kristol. That guy is such a snake. He's so blatantly insincere I can't believe anyone would choose to interview him.

"salaf" wrote:

I don't understand why Stewart invites people he clearly doesn't get on with onto the show yet pretends that they have some sort of pre-existant relationship.

I saw the one with William Kristol. That guy is such a snake. He's so blatantly insincere I can't believe anyone would choose to interview him.

Jon's a bit vain, he likes to bring on guests to associate himself with them or just to embarass them if he isn't of their particular mindset.

I always thought his interviews were a platform to rant.

As for Kristol I don't know how you could say he is insincere? He's a very intelligent man and although I disagree with him tremendously I don't doubt he believes what he is saying.

It's easy to lose patience with his intellectual vanity though.

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

well....today it is then....still dont know where its happenin, thats security for ya!! :shock:

So, is TB coming up North or are you going down South?

That would be up North btw ETA is 69minutes I believe.

"irfghan" wrote:

"Constantine" wrote:

I think we spend too much time perfecting our politics rather than our policies.

Ya gotta admit an American Politician is a breed apart.

lol either of you see the President Bush announcement of Lewis Libby's resignation? - I think it was on the Daily Show

American politician? Ha!

This clip of Lott is very funny.. 'Man, woman or minority.'
http://www.comedycentral.com/sitewide/media_player/play.jhtml?itemId=24511

yeh dave, saw that one too!

and gosh irfgan, tht clip was unbelievable! (and funny)

Shouldn't Hayder be back by now?

Come on Hayder, tell us how it went.

Has anyone seen Hayder seen this morning, I er sent him some texts about ten minutes before his big meeting about 'C4' and blowing stuff up...and maybe his texts got screened... :oops:

soz mate...

Maybe his texts were intercepted and he got arrested.

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salaam

tune into bbc news 24 all shall be revealed

wa/salaam

[size=18]Blair hears young Muslims' fears [/size]

Muslim students have voiced their concerns to the Prime Minister following the July bomb murders.

Around 50 students aged 16 to 25 were at a Leeds community centre to meet Tony Blair and discuss a range of issues including extremism.

The Prime Minister spent more than an hour chatting to them and to their concerns post-July 7.

He told the group the way to defeat people with extremist views was to stand up to them in the community.

A business studies student from Huddersfield University student, Waseem Naeem, said the Government's foreign policy was a factor in many Muslims turning away from Labour.

He said many non-Muslims also disagreed with the war in Iraq.

The students, who mainly came from the Leeds area, were gathered around small tables in the community centre and the Prime Minister passed between them listening to their concerns.

Afterwards he addressed some of their concerns.

He said all political parties needed to bring in more Muslim MPs, adding: "The solution doesn't just lie in my hands, it also has to lie in yours as well. What we heard today were extremely articulate young people.

"You have also got to want to get engaged, to push yourselves forward and it's our job then to make sure the doors are open, but in a sense it's your job to go and walk through them."
[b]
'Hard' message [/b]

The Prime Minister said modern politics meant that the person who shouted the loudest and said the most extreme things was often the one who got on the media.

He said it was necessary for a balanced approach "so the true voice from within the community is heard".

Mr Blair added: "The extremism that grows up within communities, the only way ultimately it can be tackled is when people like yourselves are going back in there and standing up to it.

"Now that's a difficult thing to do, it's difficult particularly when you get people driving a very, very hard message but that has some support."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4447672.stm

I've just sat through hlf an hour of news channel hopping in the hope of seeing something about this.

But no luck.

Prob after 12.30 they'll show it. Or tomorrow morning.

Did anyone ask him any killer qs or was it all nice and polite and a publicity stunt?

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

i went with my mate Qamar........

he spat on his hands and shook Blairs hand

:shock:

disgusting.

I hate the guy more than most. But ewww!

Go Hayder!

This Independent article should be called Hayder v Blair.

[size=18]Hayder v Blair[/size]

By Ian Herbert, North of England Correspondent
Published: 18 November 2005
[b]
Every articulate Muslim in Leeds seems to have been contributing to the Government's attempts to comprehend what turned three of the city's sons into suicide bombers on 7 July. But the Prime Minister had to admit yesterday that he wished he'd found Hayder Khan a little sooner.

The 19-year-old did not articulate everything Mr Blair wanted to hear at a consultation exercise with young Muslims in the city. "We're losing confidence and trust in you," Mr Khan told him, unflinchingly. "With this foreign policy Muslims feel you are attacking them. We all used to vote Labour but not any more. You need to row back and take us with you."

Yet Mr Blair, on his first visit to the city since the attacks, acknowledged that he had found someone who represented the real voice of teenage British Islam; a young man who had never even heard of the Government's weighty "Tackling Extremism Together" report published last week because, as the Prime Minister admitted, Muslims like him are hard to find.

"If I am asked to see the Muslim community, what I will get is the same great and the good of the community," Mr Blair conceded. "That means we are [not] getting down to people in the community."

Bright, entrepreneurial, sports-loving and a university student: Mr Khan has the same positive attributes that the family of July 7 bomber Shahzad Tanweer remember in their son.

Individuals like him, not community leaders, will provide the most meaningful answers about what might turn positive young men to radicalism, though Mr Khan's idea of retribution for a foreign policy he dislikes came when his father asked how the family should vote in last election. "I told him 'we should go Liberal Democrat'."

Around the table with Mr Khan and Mr Blair to discuss "extremism" at a primary school in Chapeltown were other young people who know how hard it has been to be a Yorkshire Muslim since the bombs in London.[/b]

There was Aneela Mather, one of the few white faces in the room, who cannot fail to notice "the way people look" when she is walking in Leeds with her Pakistani grandmother. There was also Waseem Naeem, star-struck enough to snap Mr Blair with his mobile phone but not so much that he, too, could not challenge foreign policy and the political party's "failure to engage" with British Muslims.

Mr Blair, who was visibly tired, said everything about his current travails when asked how he was. "I'll need to set up a government committee to answer that," he replied. But he left with some answers about how Muslims and non-Muslims might better understand each other.

Making Eid a public holiday for all would delight the non-Muslims and "make them examine what the festival means", said an optimistic young woman. A compulsory course on comparative religion would have the same effect, added a young man who proudly offered up the historical fact he believes every Briton should know: that the 2.5m Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis who fought for Britain in the Second World War are the biggest volunteer force ever to have served this country.

Help for some of the parents of these young people, whose lack of English has disenfranchised them from an understanding of their children's school development, was also suggested.

Someone helping to divorce the concepts of terrorism and Islam would be a step forward, Ms Mather told the Prime Minister. "Every time there is a picture of the suicide bombers on the television, it is followed by people praying at a mosque." Divorcing nationality from religion would also help, added another. "I'm Muslim but that has nothing to do with my Britishness, which is about being free to go out for a drink and to dance."

Mr Blair seemed heartened as he left. "You get people in Northern Ireland who are Protestants who will go to kill a Catholic because they are Catholic but no one says 'that's Protestants for you'," he said.

He promised to attempt to convert some of these thoughts into practice but made it clear who, in years to come, he expects to be at the front of the community to introduce them as policies. "I'll open the door. You must walk through it," he said.

[url=http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article327758.ece]The Independent [/url]

[size=5]Now, lets see if I can get this on the MPAC frontpage. [/size]

Lol, [url=http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/051117/481/lon10811171717]this sister[/url] looks a bit starstruck.

Oh and the [url=http://www.yorkshiretoday.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=55&ArticleID... Post[/url]...

[size=18]You're losing the Muslims, Blair is told[/size]

TONY Blair was yesterday warned that many Muslims were turning away from the Government as he urged younger members of the faith to stand up to extremism.

The warning came as the Prime Minister met young Muslims in Leeds to hear their views on education, the role of religion, what it meant to be British and extremism in the wake of the July 7 suicide attacks on London.

Law student Hayder Khan, 19, told him that the Government was "moving away" from Muslims and attacking them, later pointing to the Iraq War and anti-terror legislation.

Mr Blair made a tacit admission about the problems he has faced over foreign policy from Iraq to Afghanistan, which have caused a rift with key Muslim voters.

"irfghan" wrote:

Go Hayder!

This Independent article should be called Hayder v Blair.

[size=18]Hayder v Blair[/size]

By Ian Herbert, North of England Correspondent
Published: 18 November 2005
[b]
Every articulate Muslim in Leeds seems to have been contributing to the Government's attempts to comprehend what turned three of the city's sons into suicide bombers on 7 July. But the Prime Minister had to admit yesterday that he wished he'd found Hayder Khan a little sooner.

The 19-year-old did not articulate everything Mr Blair wanted to hear at a consultation exercise with young Muslims in the city. "We're losing confidence and trust in you," Mr Khan told him, unflinchingly. "With this foreign policy Muslims feel you are attacking them. We all used to vote Labour but not any more. You need to row back and take us with you."

Yet Mr Blair, on his first visit to the city since the attacks, acknowledged that he had found someone who represented the real voice of teenage British Islam; a young man who had never even heard of the Government's weighty "Tackling Extremism Together" report published last week because, as the Prime Minister admitted, Muslims like him are hard to find.

"If I am asked to see the Muslim community, what I will get is the same great and the good of the community," Mr Blair conceded. "That means we are [not] getting down to people in the community."

Bright, entrepreneurial, sports-loving and a university student: Mr Khan has the same positive attributes that the family of July 7 bomber Shahzad Tanweer remember in their son.

Individuals like him, not community leaders, will provide the most meaningful answers about what might turn positive young men to radicalism, though Mr Khan's idea of retribution for a foreign policy he dislikes came when his father asked how the family should vote in last election. "I told him 'we should go Liberal Democrat'."

Around the table with Mr Khan and Mr Blair to discuss "extremism" at a primary school in Chapeltown were other young people who know how hard it has been to be a Yorkshire Muslim since the bombs in London.[/b]

There was Aneela Mather, one of the few white faces in the room, who cannot fail to notice "the way people look" when she is walking in Leeds with her Pakistani grandmother. There was also Waseem Naeem, star-struck enough to snap Mr Blair with his mobile phone but not so much that he, too, could not challenge foreign policy and the political party's "failure to engage" with British Muslims.

Mr Blair, who was visibly tired, said everything about his current travails when asked how he was. "I'll need to set up a government committee to answer that," he replied. But he left with some answers about how Muslims and non-Muslims might better understand each other.

Making Eid a public holiday for all would delight the non-Muslims and "make them examine what the festival means", said an optimistic young woman. A compulsory course on comparative religion would have the same effect, added a young man who proudly offered up the historical fact he believes every Briton should know: that the 2.5m Pakistanis, Indians and Bangladeshis who fought for Britain in the Second World War are the biggest volunteer force ever to have served this country.

Help for some of the parents of these young people, whose lack of English has disenfranchised them from an understanding of their children's school development, was also suggested.

Someone helping to divorce the concepts of terrorism and Islam would be a step forward, Ms Mather told the Prime Minister. "Every time there is a picture of the suicide bombers on the television, it is followed by people praying at a mosque." Divorcing nationality from religion would also help, added another. "I'm Muslim but that has nothing to do with my Britishness, which is about being free to go out for a drink and to dance."

Mr Blair seemed heartened as he left. "You get people in Northern Ireland who are Protestants who will go to kill a Catholic because they are Catholic but no one says 'that's Protestants for you'," he said.

He promised to attempt to convert some of these thoughts into practice but made it clear who, in years to come, he expects to be at the front of the community to introduce them as policies. "I'll open the door. You must walk through it," he said.

[url=http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article327758.ece]The Independent [/url]

[size=5]Now, lets see if I can get this on the MPAC frontpage. [/size]

Wow!-Good one Hayder...

Go on Hayder, you done us proud.

I putting the news on now. I don't think it could have gone better, Well done.

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

you reckon i may still be on bbc news 24? lol....i missed it!

I hope you went and bought the Independent today.

:?:

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

"irfghan" wrote:

"Darth V-Hayder" wrote:

you reckon i may still be on bbc news 24? lol....i missed it!

I hope you went and bought the Independent today.

:?:

probably will do....if i can find a newsagent....

Frame it and make your mum proud...