Name Calling

MuslimSister —

Salaam

(I started this thread up in the old forum..I'd like to see it being discussed again)

Dirty Kafir! Wahabi! Extremist! Biddati! Blasphemer! Worship’s scholars! Commits Shirk! Not part of Muslim Ummah! Commits kufr!..The people of innovation…

All of the above names and more which are thrown about so carelessly have become unbelievably common.

When a Muslim accuses another Muslim of being a Kafir, one of them is most definitely a Kafir….when a Muslim accuses another Muslim of committing Shirk, the implications are just as serious because if one commits Shirk then he/she has negated the Tawheed (oneness) of Allah (swt) and if one has negated the Tawheed of Allah (swt) then such a person is a non Muslim/Kafir……Those who commit “Biddah” (innovation in Islam) “should take their place in hell”…….A “Wahabi” is a follower of Abdul Wahab…….

Do people not know of the serious implication of throwing these names about so casually?

Are we even in a position to be calling others these names? Do any of us, have any Islamic education behind us? In other words, most of the time do we even know what we’re talking about?

And say if one IS committing shirk or Biddah, by calling him/her a “stupid, misguided biddati” will this make them change their ways will it? If we severely lack patience, tolerance and understanding for other Muslims why on Earth should they see eye to eye with us?

Is Islam all about being hot tempered, argumentative, and narrow minded? Is this how the Holy Prophet ﷺ conveyed the message?

Name calling also manifests pride, one of the worst characteristics found in us. And pride is shown when people are convinced that they are right whilst everyone else is wrong so they belittle other…..

Also say if one is a so called Wahabi or Mushrik……So What? What’s it got to do with us? Aren’t we only accountable for what we do? One can only say (nicely!) after that shouldn’t we leave it?

BUT on the other hand, don’t people NEED to be told?

According to some people not everyone listens to the “lovely jubbly” approach so they need to be told in the harshest way possible, is this true?

Furthermore, according to others, this is part of enjoining what is good and forbidding what is evil…

So guys where do we draw the line? After all, by remaining silent at wrong doings can and does lead to support/approval and even encouragement, but at the same time there is waaay too much name calling going on.

Share your thoughts please…

Wasalaam

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figi — Sun, 30 Oct 2005 - 20:39

ther is wayyy too much hate in this forum... guys cant we just like avoid the topics that split us up and like keep to unifying topics like how many grapes can u fit in ur mouf?... i got told off today for eating grapes and chiken salaan 🙁 it tasted quite nice.. like crakers and cheese wif jam.. u know weird sort of taste... try it! 😃

*DUST* — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 - 01:46

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="Aasiyah"][quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]k, salaam[/quote]
lol. alhumdulillah nice to see Med has passed on something good to the forum. :wink:[/quote]

actually thats a bad thing I've picked up

he explained once that when the "people of knowldge come across the people of ignorance" they say "salaam"

i won't be saying "k, salaam" ever again[/quote]
lol, yep but it all depends on YOUR intention right. maybe take out the "k" and that'l b less Med-like. 😉

*DUST* — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 - 02:00

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]I don't want to be part of any sectarian crap-

so if anyone ever comes across me calling any group a name-they can copy paste my post into this thread

i don't want to be doing the same thing that i hate in others-

BUT if I ever come across "extremism" in the form of advocating terrorism-then I will ALWAYS be the first to point it out[/quote]
since u asked... 😉

[quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="Med"][quote="naj"][quote="hijaban"]hello everyone,
i am new to this site and i hope people will be helpfull in answering my questions. first of all i would like to know is piercing the navel for a lady allowed?

thankyou.[/quote]

assalamu alaikum hijaban

belly piercing is not permissable as i know
Jamee’atul Mufteen (Board of Muftis) comprising of 12 Darul Iftas have ruled in their last sitting that belly piercing for women is not permissible.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

hope you choose to go with this answer.[/quote]

Muhtarama has given the correct answer according to the Ulama of Ahnaaf. Belly piercing is forbidden and not allowed.[/quote]

with google searches-u can find anything

Ruling Concerning Wearing Nose rings

Question: What is the ruling concerning wearing nose rings for beautification?

Response: It is permissible for a woman to beautify herself according to what is customary, even if that means she has to pierce part of her body, such as is the case with earrings.

Shaikh ibn Jibreen

http://islamic-world.net/sister/question.htm

^^that fatwa says that if its "customary" she can pierce what she wants

[b]anyway-I'm gonna ask a non-extremist scholar[/b][/quote]

personally i dont think we should bother with these words which the media has used to label us - extremists, fundamentalists, what not. however i think we'd agree that if we came across a so-called scholar (e.g. Captain Hook) who spews hatred, we would denounce him.

BUT our talk of 'extremist' scholars did not start with any relation to terrorism - it was due to your above post LilSis. i think ul agree that it doesnt specifically take a scholar who denounces terrorism to tackle the issue of belly piercing... :? 😉

Sirus — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 - 03:32

now now LilSis.....it doesnt hurt to apologise and acknowledge bieng in the wrong 🙂

....even tho i know what your tryna say

You — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 - 03:48

As I always say...

when in a hole stop digging.

I can understand LilSis's point, aswell as her frustration with Med... but calling someone extreme is very harsh.

I can be harsh. Like I was with Abdul Salaam when he justified the murder of shia's. i was even harsher when he said it was the position taught by his scholars. I was scathing.

As always we should acknowledge our flaws.

And I am still waiting for a proper explanation of people of innovation. The last explanation did not cut it. It was inaccurate to say the least.

Omrow — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 - 09:05

Salam

[quote="MuslimSister"]So guys where do we draw the line?[/quote]

Alright. Jokes aside. Lets talk about drawing lines.

Indeed, Islam draws for us some very clear and indelible lines.

I believe that Islam teaches us that we should ONLY preach through politeness and courtesy.

All other methods are prohibited in Islam.

In Islam, the Muslims are not allowed to encourage or discourage other people from certain type of behaviour by using harsh and unkind words.

In the Holy Quran, God orders Muslims this:

" Invite all to the way of your Lord, with wisdom and beautiful preaching. And reason with them in the ways that are best and most gracious. "

Therefore, I think that if one is not an amicable and pleasant person, then one ought NOT preach goodness to others. He, or she, should try to develop qualities that are necessary for spreading the Word of God to muslims as well as non muslims.

Moreoever, preachers are, infact, representing God.

And, therefore, God does not like to see harsh men and women speak for Him. This is because God wishes to attract people to His Religion, not to repel them. And only a good-natured person is able to attract others.

By the way noble lady, your initial post was a plea that was a very passionaltely argued exhortation. Truly spoken from the heart.

Omrow

Omrow — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 - 13:36

Salam

And you're an angel.

I wasn't easy to pen that piece.

It was excruciatingly difficult to bring myself to write in a nice way.

Its so easy to be nasty.

I dont know how the Binger can maintain a graceful posture for such along time. Must be in her genes.

Most women are unable to control their temper when the heat is on.

Omrow

MuslimSisLilSis — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 - 15:26

[quote="Aasiyah"][quote="MuslimSisLilSis"][quote="Aasiyah"][quote="MuslimSisLilSis"]k, salaam[/quote]
lol. alhumdulillah nice to see Med has passed on something good to the forum. :wink:[/quote]

actually thats a bad thing I've picked up

he explained once that when the "people of knowldge come across the people of ignorance" they say "salaam"

i won't be saying "k, salaam" ever again[/quote]
lol, yep but it all depends on YOUR intention right. maybe take out the "k" and that'l b less Med-like. :wink:[/quote]

my intentin was just to copy him-

this saying manifests "extreme arrogance"

so if I use that saying again I'm gonna be BANNED frm coming on this forum :shock:

MuslimSisLilSis — Mon, 31 Oct 2005 - 15:36

[quote="Omrow"]

I dont know how the Binger can maintain a graceful posture for such along time. Must be in her genes.

Most women are unable to control their temper when the heat is on.

[/quote]

what about my genes?

i am her sister after all

MuslimSister — Tue, 1 Nov 2005 - 10:36

[quote="Omrow"]Therefore, I think that if one is not an amicable and pleasant person, then one ought NOT preach goodness to others. He, or she, should try to develop qualities that are necessary for spreading the Word of God to muslims as well as non muslims.

Moreoever, preachers are, infact, representing God.

And, therefore, God does not like to see harsh men and women speak for Him. This is because God wishes to attract people to His Religion, not to repel them. And only a good-natured person is able to attract others.

[/quote]

Wow. The best point in this thread so far...