If u miss 3 Jummahs do u become a non-muslim as some ppl say???

Miss 3 Jummah's and ur a non-muslim??

[quote="Allahuakbar"]Miss 3 Jummah's and ur a non-muslim??[/quote]

Practically everyone would become a non-muslim :roll:

If you miss namaz you are punished however if you miss it out few times it doesn't make u non-muslim....but if you were to reject namaz then you are kafir

[quote="angel"][quote="Allahuakbar"]Miss 3 Jummah's and ur a non-muslim??[/quote]

Practically everyone would become a non-muslim :roll:

If you miss namaz you are punished however if you miss it out few times it doesn't make u non-muslim....but if you were to reject namaz then you are kafir[/quote]

I agree intentional/unintentional sinning does not make one a Kafir.

One only commits Kufr when he/she rejects Qura’nic teachings.

Kafir/non Muslims are mighty words that people throw around so easily.

And our pious predecessors used to go out of their way to avoid using the words “haraam/halal” but for some reason our arrogant attitude make us think that we can say what we want....I've noticed that such statements are very common on this forum these days.

(Brother my post is not directed to you, its a general observation).

[quote="Allahuakbar"]Miss 3 Jummah's and ur a non-muslim??[/quote]

i heard that

not sure if its tru tho

unlike SOME people (no not u) I aint quick to label people Kafir

No, you are still muslim.

And there is an intellectual debate wether Jumuah is even suposed to be read here... (Some scholars say it can only be read in an Islamic state... But for unity everyone sticks to reading it.)

Commit a sin and you are a sinner.

reject Islam, and yo are a disbeliever. Its pretty simple. I cannot see where people get confused.

You are a sinner. Not a kaafir if you do not pray.

You are a bad muslim.

i heard its if you havent read namaz in 3 days then your no diffrent from a non-muslim.........not a non-muslim, but not very diffrent

what makes us Muslims diffrent from other religions is the fact we pray )or supposed to) regularly and daily

Ok so thanks everyone 4 clearing that up. I thought it'd be harsh if it was 3 strikes and out, I mean if u work or are at uni its really difficult sometimes. But I do go when I can. Also, you have to go for the right reasons don't you?

I mean its no good just going bcoz u have to. Some ppl might go physically but not mentally if u know what I mean.

Assalamu Alaikum,

It may sound harsh brother but it still isn't good enough in Allah's eyes. I've read about this dilemma countless times. The ulema always say regardless of work,and other commitments the five daily salat and jumuah salat are obligatory. If you're at university, you should explain to your lecturer or seminar tutor you need to be excused. There are usually 2 lectures or seminars in different time slots. So you should seek to relocate into the one that can accomodate for your jumuah salat.

If you are working, most employers are very sympathetic to ppl with religious obligations. It's usually employees who are too embarassed to explain their faith to their boss, so they miss their salat. Lose the shyness explain to your boss. You will only be leaving for an hour. There;s no reason why you can't have that hour jumuah time as "lunch" or "tea break". Or even offer to make up for the lost time. Sisters manage to offer their five daily salat at work in this same way, no reason why brothers can't.

If your employer refuses write to headoffice that should sort it out. If even then it's a problem, you should seek work elsewhere in the interim. It might sound ott but fard salat needs to be given prominence.

I don't know if missing 3 jumuah makes one a kaffir, i suspect that depends upon the madhab you follow. I think it's close to it and i can understand those who take this view because there's a hadith which says our prophet ﷺ said the difference between a believer and disbeleiver is prayer. I honestly believe i wasn't a believer when i wasn't practising. You may think that's crazy, but that's the view i still hold of myself.

However i wouldn't go around declaring this person or that person is a kaffir because they miss prayer. That's a dangerous thing to do, and i don't think i've got the authority to do that. It would definately be an act of kufr. But anything more than that, Allah knows best.

Heard a Deobandi scholar (is that spelt wrong) say that missing 3 Jumma prayers (he stressed if it was without excuse and that class and work obligations was a valid excuse) makes one a hypocrite not a kafir.

Also food for thought, since alot of guys have have class/work commitments should some masjids not take it upon them selves to hold Jumma salat at a 'later' time?
Also some of these guys who are in the same boat couyld get together and do their own Jammat at a convenient time (providing this can be done before Salat-ul-Asr).

[quote="Dawud"]Heard a Deobandi scholar (is that spelt wrong) say that missing 3 Jumma prayers (he stressed if it was without excuse and that class and work obligations was a valid excuse) makes one a hypocrite not a kafir.

Also food for thought, since alot of guys have have class/work commitments should some masjids not take it upon them selves to hold Jumma salat at a 'later' time?
Also some of these guys who are in the same boat couyld get together and do their own Jammat at a convenient time (providing this can be done before Salat-ul-Asr).[/quote]

You cannot just hold a jama'ah of jumuah. Part of rules for location of Jumuah salaah is that in that location all five prayers must be consistently and continuously read by jama'ah beforehand.

Acutaly I just heard last time, its to do with the school of thought, they are all right in their own way its just Imam Shafi (ra) says if you miss your namaz for a certain time length then you become kafir, the rest differ in opinion from that and are more lenient in regards to namaz.

[quote="Allahuakbar"]Miss 3 Jummah's and ur a non-muslim??[/quote]
can someone quote the hadith which states this? (i have heard it b4 but dont know the reference)

Salam

[quote="Allahuakbar"]If u miss 3 Jummahs do u become a non-muslim as some ppl say?[/quote]

Three ?

If you miss just ONE you will burn in the HOTTEST fire of hell forever and ever and ever !!!!

No excuses will be accepted.

Omrow

Prayer is ONE of the FIVE pillars of Islam, it just takes half an hour of your day to pray the 5 salahs... its a basic duty that muslims should practise ... If people cant be thankful to Allah and pray then that is their decison and they will find out what good/bad their actions bought on the day of judgement.

prophet mohammed s.a.w) mentioned, 'He who misses three Jumu'ah prayers without any excuse, Allah will put a seal in his heart.' (Haakim and Ahmad)

In view of the above Hadith, one can view the severity of missing Jumu'ah Salat. However, one will not be excluded from the fold of Islam for missing 3 Jumu'ahs and the context of work is not a valid excuse. Hence, he should make excessive Istighfaar, perform Qadhaa (makeup for missed prayers) and adopt means through asking for leave, etc. to be present for his Jumu'ah Salat.

by mufti ibrahim desai.

[quote="naj"]prophet mohammed s.a.w) mentioned, 'He who misses three Jumu'ah prayers without any excuse, Allah will put a seal in his heart.' (Haakim and Ahmad)

In view of the above Hadith, one can view the severity of missing Jumu'ah Salat. However, one will not be excluded from the fold of Islam for missing 3 Jumu'ahs and the context of work is not a valid excuse. Hence, he should make excessive Istighfaar, perform Qadhaa (makeup for missed prayers) and adopt means through asking for leave, etc. to be present for his Jumu'ah Salat.

by mufti ibrahim desai.[/quote]

mashaALLAH, Mufti Sahib has spoken haqq.

Also I must say that Muhtarama Yashmaki made gud post. ppl nowadays say oh i cant read my asr on time cos of work, lectures etc or i cant read jumuah cos of this or that. Remember that the deen is fard, the work is only to fill the stomach.

If a persons like that, ie oh unis in teh way, work is in the way, then his whole life will go with salah being neglected. Alhamdulillah one thing beign at uni has done is made me more punctual on the salah.

SubhanALLAH some brothers, before didnt have courage to read namaz in open, now some brothers have to travel around a lot eg on train or on coach and namaz time will be completely lost if they wait to get to destination etc and now some brothers have got courage to just put their scarf on floor and pray wherever they are. May ALLAh accept it from them and others.

Respect to those who just stop when the prayer is due, and offer it even it is in the middle of a packed station platform.

One thing to remember is that putting a seal on the heart and kufr are not the same thing.

Missing a prayer is a major sin, and we (I) make too many excuses when none are acceptable.

[quote="Admin"]One thing to remember is that putting a seal on the heart and kufr are not the same thing.

Missing a prayer is a major sin, and we (I) make too many excuses when none are acceptable.[/quote]

too true for me as well bro.

May ALLAH make us steadfast on salah.May He grants us khushu and khudhu in salah and accept it from us. ameen Ya Rabbe Ramadan

i dont mean to be offensive but you should get your facts straight, Jummah is a special day to Muslims and the salah is also very special and different to other salaahs and so the punishment for missing a Jumah salaah is different from all the other salaahs

Jazakallah
Your sister in Islam

[quote=Allahuakbar]Ok so thanks everyone 4 clearing that up. I thought it'd be harsh if it was 3 strikes and out, I mean if u work or are at uni its really difficult sometimes. But I do go when I can. Also, you have to go for the right reasons don't you?

I mean its no good just going bcoz u have to. Some ppl might go physically but not mentally if u know what I mean.[/quote]

though niyah is important in a lot of things, I think with prayer, even if the niyah is not there I would still say that you should pray and the niyah will follow insha'allah.
BUT by jummahs, do u mean the congregational prayer or just the regular five prayers???
(arabic terminology confuses me.... 🙁 )

[quote=Medarris][quote="naj"]prophet mohammed s.a.w) mentioned, 'He who misses three Jumu'ah prayers without any excuse, Allah will put a seal in his heart.' (Haakim and Ahmad)

In view of the above Hadith, one can view the severity of missing Jumu'ah Salat. However, one will not be excluded from the fold of Islam for missing 3 Jumu'ahs and the context of work is not a valid excuse. Hence, he should make excessive Istighfaar, perform Qadhaa (makeup for missed prayers) and adopt means through asking for leave, etc. to be present for his Jumu'ah Salat.

by mufti ibrahim desai.[/quote]

mashaALLAH, Mufti Sahib has spoken

Also I must say that Muhtarama Yashmaki made gud post. ppl nowadays say oh i cant read my asr on time cos of work, lectures etc or i cant read jumuah cos of this or that. Remember that the deen is fard, the work is only to fill the stomach.

If a persons like that, ie oh unis in teh way, work is in the way, then his whole life will go with salah being neglected. Alhamdulillah one thing beign at uni has done is made me more punctual on the salah.

SubhanALLAH some brothers, before didnt have courage to read namaz in open, now some brothers have to travel around a lot eg on train or on coach and namaz time will be completely lost if they wait to get to destination etc and now some brothers have got courage to just put their scarf on floor and pray wherever they are. May ALLAh accept it from them and others.

Respect to those who just stop when the prayer is due, and offer it even it is in the middle of a packed station platform.[/quote]

but how can anyone pray in the middle of a packed platform???

I thought you werent supposed to pray in a place where you were an obstacle for others.....nd what about both women and men being present....and posters with faces on them that u normally get at stations????? would that prayer still be valid???

There are two points of views to this, as scholars are still debating. however both views can be followed. their is no clear nor strong evidence supporting this

[quote=Armanii]There are two points of views to this, as scholars are still debating. however both views can be followed. their is no clear nor strong evidence supporting this[/quote]

erm,, that would mean that you would both become a non-muslim and not become a non-muslim at the same time.
how does that make sense?
surely its one or the other..?

Bilan's right, even though we should pray on time and avoid Qadha when we can, we do not obstruct others. Before Umar's (ra) suggestion, the Muslims all rpayed in secret.

i dont think obstruction to others is a valid excuse for missing a fard prayer, but on a busy platform, i think theres more danger of being trampled upon, and people walking right in front of your prostration area which you are supposed to guard. i'm surprisd those brothers weren't told to clear the path, politely of course. A waiting room may have been better. or the trai.n itself is permissible if the prayer time is going to be missed. in such a situation theres no need to worry about qibla, and standing, can sit and pray. i havent been in such a situation so i dont know if i'd be brave enough to start praying on the train especially the way im dressed, ppl may think i was doing a penultimate ritual before a terrorist action ...lool . but f i was wi someone else i would have no qualms about it i wouldn't feel so vulnerable, yes i am a pathetic coward!

on a coach its easier the seats are back to bakck high you get more privacy, it would be a doddle i wouldnt need a friend to hold my hand.

ive heard of brothers praying on motorway layby, in a grassy area beneath a theme park ride , and i know sisters who use store changng rooms for salat if theyre in town, but train platform yes that is very brave.

[quote=Patience]Well it's not that easy to become a non-Muslim... Lol[/quote]
?

There are also people who say if you don't pray the 5 daily prayers, you're not Muslim.

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE][quote=Patience]Well it's not that easy to become a non-Muslim... Lol[/quote]
?

There are also people who say if you don't pray the 5 daily prayers, you're not Muslim.[/quote]

Jabir bin Abdullah says: I heard the Messenger of Allah (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) saying this: The difference between a man (Muslim) and shirk and kufr is the abandoning of salaah.
(Sahih Muslim: Kitab ul Iman: Book 001, Number 0147)

forgot to add something..stupid invisible edit button.

its easy to not be a muslim anymore. if someone doesnt want to be a muslim anymore, then they arent. there is no compulsion in Islam

[quote=Lilly][quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE][quote=Patience]Well it's not that easy to become a non-Muslim... Lol[/quote]
?

There are also people who say if you don't pray the 5 daily prayers, you're not Muslim.[/quote]

Jabir bin Abdullah says: I heard the Messenger of Allah (SallAllah-u-Alaihi-wa-Sallam) saying this: The difference between a man (Muslim) and shirk and kufr is the abandoning of salaah.
(Sahih Muslim: Kitab ul Iman: Book 001, Number 0147)[/quote]
I know that hadith but I think I've heard there's more to it, than the literal meaning of it.