"ALquds" wrote:

the heartbeat has a rhythem rite?? well the rhythem of the dhaf shoudnt be too fast...

weird example

btw if ur into sports/running etc

or if ur into doing nerve racking things then u would know that the heart canbeat very very fast at times

and who said that they duff shoud be the same pace as ur heartbeat :roll:

the lil kids in medinah played the duff when the Prophet (pbuh) arrived

i doubt they measured it against their heartbeat

ye tru dnt knw wot im on bou bt hear is a brief fatwa i found:

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I understand that “Duf” is permissible in Islam, but what is the Shari’ah ruling listening to Na’ats, Nasheeds, etc with Percussion.

Question # q-17064820
Date Posted: 04/03/2004

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In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,
Those musical instruments which are designed specially for dancing and entertainment, and they create charm and pleasure (even without the singing) e.g. drums, violin, guitar, fiddle, flute, etc…..are not permissible (haram) with the consensus of all the Scholars.

Since the first century until now, which includes the Sahaba, Tabi’een, Fuqaha (Jurists) and all the Scholars (Allah be pleased with them all) have been unanimous on this ruling.

Allah Most High says:

“There are among men, those who purchase idle tales to mislead (men) from the path of Allah.” (Surah Luqman)

The great companion, Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him) states in the explanation of the word, ‘idle talk’: “By Allah, its meaning is music.” (Sunan of al-Bayhaqi)

In a Hadith related by Imam al-Bukhari in his ‘Sahih’, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:

“There will come people in my Ummah, who will make adultery, silk, alcohol, and musical instruments permissible, Allah will change them into monkeys and swine.”

In another Hadith it is stated:

“Music creates hypocrisy, just as water grows crops.” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi)

As far as “Daff” is concerned, to use it at the time of Nikah (wedding) is permissible according to all the Scholars. However, there is a difference of opinion regarding it’s usage at other times. Some Scholars have classed it as Makruh. Others however mention that it is permissible to use it at all times.

It is therefore clear from the above that to listen to Nashids and Islamic songs that are played with musical instruments which are for entertainment and create pleasure without any singing accompanying it, will not be permissible. To listen to Nashids with “Daff” is permissible, although better to avoid, as some Scholars have classed it as disliked (makruh).

And Allah Knows Best

Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester , UK

"MastKuri" wrote:

[yes i think they were naj,remember the really famous one that all the jamia girls loved..that mere sonia madine which rehn waleya!!
i want that nazam have you got it????

!!

no, but it was a top nazam......it wasnt duff was it i cnt rememba but the lyrics stick.

it the hanafi madhab to play any instrument is totally forbidden in islam except a one sided plain duff with no bells. but it can ONLY be played with a dab dab sound and not by making music out of it.

yesyes i agree with naj bou the "dhab dhab" sound so forget my heartbeat example

lolllllllll......near enough

lady naj i really need u to give a good lecture bou music to mastcurry.... will u do that????

lol alquds, i aint good at lectures mate, shes to wild shes alwayz been, i know her 2 well....oh well i cud try no harm innit,
p.s call me naj,

"ALquds" wrote:

As far as “Daff” is concerned, to use it at the time of Nikah (wedding) is permissible according to all the Scholars. However, there is a difference of opinion regarding it’s usage at other times. Some Scholars have classed it as Makruh. Others however mention that it is permissible to use it at all times.

i came across in a book: the duff referred to in the ahadeeth was secluded at weddings, and with strict criteria. Sayyidina Umar Farook (r.a) used to punish those who used duff outside the occasion of a wedding.
( fathul qadeer vol.2:36,Al Bahr Ra'ik vol.7:88

but we need to bear in mind that the beating of the duff in weddings was not of the purpose of music rather was to announce the wedding.

hadith:
the prophet s.a.w said (that which distinguishes the allowed[marriages which are announced]from the forbidden secret marraiges, is the sound of the duff. (an Nasee,Tirmidhi)

"MastKuri" wrote:

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wild???? me?????? no way!!!!!!!

oh yea! u can be SO mast cnt ya

i c 'lady'naj...oh well the safest is to keep away from all kinds of intruments... o no wot am i hearin bou saf??????????? :shock: i prefer to call her STUBBORN :?:

ouch!!! errrmmmmmmmm sorry but take it with a pinch o salt cz u really r stubborn at times.....lol.... naaa bt2me ur the best bt i really wna knw if naj finks u r stubborn???