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I gotcha, so you are reading a whole chapter of the qur'an whilst bowing and standing (I don't know what the word is for that cycle you do).
Random Question out of nowhere but the blue sky and clouds.
Do women and men pray side by side without segregation at Mecca during the Hajj?
i aint been hajj-but my sister mentioned that she used to pray next to dad
so I think cos of the huge gathering -segregation rule relaxes a bit
but if they can control the crowd then they segragete people
interesting
You can oray next to family...
but in Madine the mosque is divided into two halves.Wome on the left, men on the right.
In Makkah, it is abit more adhoc.
The Tawaaf (circulating the qiblah) is all together, but there are loads of sections for women set up through out the mosque.
This place has the added complication of people facing the centre, and not outside in a single direction... so it probably took a lot of planning for the adhoc segregation.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I find it surprising that it's not controlled. Makkah is in the hands of the Wahabis who are known for going to drastic measures over doctrine (like wanting to build hotels over Muhammads birth place) is there a suspension of doctrine or does it simply not apply in Makkah
Its all abput practicality.
In Madinah, everyone is facing one direction. It is possible for full segregation.
In makkah, when doing tawaf, you are at the centre of the mosque. Then there is saee, which is to one side. Both are accessed by both men and women.
Then there is prayer. everyone faces the centre of the mosque. Thionk of a large circle. all ends meet. o there are small women only sections.
Besides It all depends on how you define segregation...
It is not an apartheid.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I rember when i went, it wasnt busy time but ppl must have just arrived into makkah and decided to do their first tawaf and all these huge men AND women came, the women were holding hands and they would just barge into you, it was scary no place to move, when you are doing tawaf of kaba there isnt segregation, i suposed it would be hard...
in makkah praying by the kabah at hajj time-segregation is IMPOSSIBLE
apparently sumtimes its so crowded that u cant even do sajda properly-sumtimes its impossible to make ur forehead touch the ground
Madinah is diff-u can easily segregate the men and women cos of the way the Mosque is designed
when u spend the night under the sky in Muzdalifah in Makkah there aint no segegation-
the tents of Mina are segregated tho
So how long left till ramadan? Is it roughly 7-8days?
I cant wait!!!!!!!!
...isn't ramadan the time where you don't eat or drink anything for all day until 30 days are up?
You can't wait??
Am I missing something here!?
ramadan is the only time of the year where we are deprived of food and its the only time of the year my mummy makes nice food.
its not just fasting that is part of ramadan u is also suppose to learn more about islam and we pray more at mosque and we is soppose to be dead good, only time of the year which ppl r actually nice to each other.
What you put in the hearts of others; is what goes back into your own heart…
there's a special feeling in the month of ramadan that aint there usually
there's sort of like a buzz in the air
muslims feel it when it finishes-
most muslims will happily say that ramadan is the best month in the year
everyone feels good in Ramadan
Salaam
Ramadan is the leader of all months…the months of all months.
Its arrival should be greatly anticipated preparations should be made well in advance for. Usually when we’re expecting a guest most people pull the hoover out and straighten themselves out a bit.
Similarly the month of Ramadan which is described by the Holy Prophet
as being the “Month of my Ummah”…should be well prepared for beforehand…this does not mean that we should start to stock up on extra food or should start filling 100’s of samosa’s in anticipation for Ramadan…
But we should get the right frame of mind….we should make the intention to derive the most out of Ramadan and should increase our Ibadah from TODAY so that we can continue our good practices even after the end of Ramadan….(Sufi’s say that if you do something regularly for 40 days it becomes a habit).
Our pious predecessors used to spend six months before the month of Ramadan begging Allah (swt) to make then witness this month and used to spend six months after the month of Ramadan begging Allah (swt) to accept the worship that they had performed. They also used to weep at its departure….they knew the worth of this month.
Wasalaam
Its the exact reason lilsis stated, the atmosphere in ramadan is just amazin and when your fastin your thoughts are with Allah (swt) and the Holy Proophet (saw)..you gota try it to feel it.
I came across this article on the minhaj sisters site, really touched me...thought i would share it with you, the title is "Farwell to Ramadan" however it relates to the fact that we should take benefit from this blessed month.
http://www.minhajsisters.com/home/articles/index.minhaj?id=50&e=1127862812
I shall read it right now.
Incidentally somebody should tell Dr. Qadri that the in his "objectives" page he skips number five...
It must have been the site admin, Shaykh ul Islam doesnt actually sit there administrating the site, In the objectives there are just the 5 aims, obviously the admin got his/her numbers mixed :roll:
Incidentally who is this Qadri guy anyway?!
The forum is quite literally obsessed with him and I have not heard of him anywhere else. Not even the pakis back home know who he is... of course they are christian and don't know where pakistan is so I suppose that's natural.
Does he have any political power? What are his positions on things... whats his religious training and how respected is he outside of pakistan - what is he a mufti or imam or some sort of other position?
And why does he run around the world hosting very large gatherings?
And what is Minjah and who are their sisters?
And what is a Shaykh?!
Well basically he is a very highly recognised personality around the world cuz Minhaj-ul-Quran (which means Way of Quran) is an organisation which has bases in over 92 countries...the minhaj sisters refer to the sisters who are part of Minhaj and those who basically are workin on that site and do other activities for the females.
The large gathering that take place are normally lectures he gives on various topics, thats his way of doin dawah work - getin the message of Islam across...Shaykh ul islam also came for a 3 day camp so that the youth can benefit and learn about islam, basically to give them motivation to learn bout islam further and pass it on to ppl. ie. coming generation.
Shaykh ul islam was involved in politics but resigned later becuz he felt it was pointless being part of it as he didnt get a say in the matters. Full story here:
http://www.minhaj.org/home/news/index.minhaj?dir=news&id=95&e=1127864737
I see...
What are his politics?
Israel, terrorism, islamism and all that?
Really by goin into politics his aim was to make Pakistan into a more fair country, its dominated by rich ppl treatin others in an ill manner. IMO Those who are involved in politics dont have a clue and genuinely couldnt care less as long as their stomach's are fed! To much corruption and the only way it can be removed is by getin the ppl who are in politcs out of it, cuz really it seems they couldnt care any less. Shaykh ul islam left poltics cuz he felt his time was being wasted as his message and methods of implenting Pakistan to move forward and become a better place werent being fulfilled.
Interesting... Thanks!
Your welcome.
oops its 2am! i should head off...its only 8pm down your side?
Neway tc and good luck with your project, i am sure you will do great..nite nite bye.
lol I have a thread and 2 people decided it's past your bedtime goodnight.
It's only 9pm here - but remember you guys are adjusted to BST so you are an hour ahead.
Thanks for the well wishes on the project...prolly lookin at no sleep tonight too.
Gnight
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