Free Mixing

[quote="irfghan"][quote="irfghan"][quote="TheRevivalEditor"]
get over it bro! you're beginning to get on my tits!!!!![/quote]
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EDIT: Questioning of authority will not be tolerated. But you're right Ed should calm down.
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😂 😂 😂 :lol:[/quote]

LOL!! I only just noticed that!!!

that means he's watching us!!

I see u will not provide proof that the hanafi ruling has been changed.

My accusation that certain people are setting themselves as mujtahid imams was on the views expressed by some in the hijab and jeans thread, hence i used that as my basis for saying some ppl are setting themselves up as the modern day mujtahids. I see you will not entertain such a view. You say I am being narrowminded. You may note that I have repeatedly said I accept your arguement has evidence and proofs; I accept that but it seems to me you are totally unwilling to accept the rulings given by those whom you claim to do taqleed of viz Imam Abu Haneefah, Imam Abu Yusuf and Imam Muhammad alayhim rahmah.

Now your issue of freemingling or what not, so far as I can remember I havent said anything about your questions. I didnt say anything about work or college, or so called working for islam so you can speak with ''sisters'' and ''brothers''. I merely stated that I think it is sin this mixed forum.

Freemixing is an extremely deep issue and I do not have the courage to begin to regurgitate my lessons on this topic. The reason being that I had already spent a lot of time doing mutala'a of my previous lessons to exlpain the hanafi ruling on women and masajid. Despite my intense efforts, the people still have not answered my requests nor have they changed their opinions. Rather I have provided, alhamdulillah BY ALLAH'S grace and my Teachers blessings, the proofs yet with no basis whatsoever the view is not accepted nor is it validly contested.

By what I have learnt it is against the correct etiquette to start a new lesson until the audience has learnt the previous lesson. I do not have the courage to start mutala'a into intermingling because of the disrespect shown to the previous hanafi ruling. Hence I think it is sufficient for me to state the issue as it is by us, should you wish to accept then that is your choice, should you wish to reject it that is also your choice.

Guidance is with ALLAH, my duty to pass on the message is all I am concerned with. Hence I reiterate that I do not think it is fruitful for me to do mutala'a and provide the full evidence of hanafi, nay ALL madhahib on thsi complex issue because in my view such action will be a disrespect and not in line with the etiquettes of learning.

[quote="Medievalist"]

I merely stated that I think it is sin this mixed forum.

.[/quote]

Why is it a sin brother?

I will venture to give general answers to th best of my ability.

Men and women should not speak with, gaze at or make relationships with a person or persons of the opposite gender unless it is out of necessity.

Necessity allows men and women to interact on a limited basis. They must not speak with flirtation, women in particular are to make their voices straight and harsh-sounding rather then in their normal voices which are attractive. The speech must be minimalist and to the point.

Unnecessarily sitting by unrelated people of the opposite gender and conversing in topic unnecessarily is not on and is sinful. If there is necessity to speak that does not mean there is necessity to look, if there is necessity to look that does not mean there is necessity to speak.

The clearest proof of this is the fact that Sahabah Karaam and Noble Wives when they conversed for NECESSITY would converse through the hijab - a curtain. They could just as easily have had the Noble Wives sitting cloaked at one side and the Sahabah on the other side but a CURTAIN existed and they spoke through the curtain; this is the strongest and simplest proof.

People who wish to site examples of Sahabiyah radhiyallahu anhum ajmaeen participating in battles, engaging with Hadrat Umar radhiyallahu anhu in the masjid etc should not form their own opinions and ask for a full explanation from their eminent ''shaykhs''. It will be discovered that battles in which Sahabiyah walked around unveiled were PRIOR to the Verse of Hijab, those battles in which Sahabiyah participated AFTER hijab, they were sitting in palanquins upon the camel - such a structure through which even the shape of the person cannot be seen.

Those who wish to cite examples such as these should fear ALLAH and ask for a full undestanding of the hadeeth, let it not be that a person reads incidences independently and makes his own conclusions only to later find that the event took place before hijab was revealed, or find that the Lady in questions body could not be seen at all not even the outer shape of her body, that the lady in question who stood in the mosque was an extremely old lady, that the daughters of Nabi Shuayb alayhim us salaam were not walking with the Noble Prophet alayhis salaam but were rather at a distance from the Noble Prophet.

Why do the people ignore that the battle occured before hijab?
Why do they ignore that the Noble Mother radhiyallahu anha sat in a palanquin and was not visible to any man?
Why do they ignore that the lady who stood in the masjid was a respectable Old Lady radhiyallahu anha?
Why do the people ignore that Sayyidina Kalimullah alayhis salam did not walk with the ''sisters'' and chat to them but rather walked at a distance and helped them due to necessity?
Why do the people ignore these points and only tell half the story?

Do the people not know that:
1. The Noble Sahabiyat only spoke from behind curtains.
2. That Sayyida Fatima was never seen by a man nor did she gaze at men. That her janazah was DELAYED so that ift could be carried at night under the cover of darkness?
3. That some of the Noble Wives radhiyallahu anhum ajmaeen would place cloth infront of their mouths before speaking with the Companions so that their words came out muffled and there was no attraction in their speech?
4. Why do they ignore that the Noble Wives radhiyallahu anhum ajmaeen even veiled from the blind Sahabah?
5. Why do they ignore that the Noble Wives who were young EVEN VEILED FROM THEIR GRANDSONS THE NOBLE SAYYIDINA HASAN AND SAYYIDINA HUSSAYN RADHIYALLAHU ANHUM AJMAEEN?
6. Why do the people ignore that when a hole existed in the Noble Wall of the Noble Chamber of Noble Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam. And through this hole the voice of Hadrat Aisha Siddiqa radhiyallahu anha reciting Quran could be heard outside, then the Nabi salallahu alayhi wa sallam covered the hole so that the Pure Voice of Noble Aisha radhiyallahu anha does not flote out to Her SONS the Ummah!?

Why isnt your computer an adequate “pardah” for you? No one can see each other.

This isnt a "chat" forum. No member tries it on/flirts with one another.

I still dont see the sin in posting here.

ok

hehe.. dats a good compilation of guidelines medieval. But again bro i gotta check out the references.

Serious if anyone can recommend good reference books in Islam to let me know.

Its interesting yeh, I mean brothers and sisters on the Revival, discussing issues behind a screen which i guess acts as a curtain. I gotta hold dat thought.. 🙂

Khan bro i mentioned in a previous post that i dont have the courage to give full answers so my responses at the moment are short and rapid fire. Reason being that this is not the place to give full backing for how masail are extracted from the proofs, my posts on hijab and jeans provided the evidence yet no1 changed opinion or provided evidence to the contrary of the hanafi stance. In this light as I said before I consider it a disrespect to bring the full fruits of mutala'a into this forum.

You require reference books? I dont know of many in english but refer you to an islamic library, or go to a wellread alim and inshaALAH i am confident that one room in his house will be filled with basic reference books.

i didnt mean to suggest that ur posting anything wrong.

basically since its the internet, and before taking anything as legit, we should do all we can to take things learnt off here and verify it.

thanks for dat, i mean its made me realised that I'm a muslim who does not have the basic reference materials to live my life as according to Islam. I also gotta make good use of the scholars around here inshAllah.

MashaALLAH!

Bro if u talk some of the things you talk here I am hopeful that Ulama will make strong connection with you and assist you fully.

in Islam when chatting to guys girls must

1-be covered up

2-not flirt/try it

3-should stick to the topic/not waffle

simple issue that-once agin gets over complicated

My family is huge. Two older guys cousins of mine live with me. I only see them when I'm home from Uni but is it wrong for me to mess around with them like I do to my younger brothers? They've lived in my house since I was a little girl there is no way I can avoid them.

What does Islam say about mixing with guy cousins?

[quote="Ramz"]
What does Islam say about mixing with guy cousins?[/quote]

as far as i know the same applies for male cousins because they are still non-mahram...in other words u can get married 2 them

[quote="muslim_kuri"][quote="Ramz"]
What does Islam say about mixing with guy cousins?[/quote]

as far as i know the same applies for male cousins because they are still non-mahram...in other words u can get married 2 them[/quote]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

perish the thought!

lol!

sorry couldnt help myself 😃

Salam

If you have gay cousins, then best thing is to tell them just be straight with you.

No hanky panky.

Omrow

[quote="Seraphim"][quote="muslim_kuri"][quote="Ramz"]
What does Islam say about mixing with guy cousins?[/quote]

as far as i know the same applies for male cousins because they are still non-mahram...in other words u can get married 2 them[/quote]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

perish the thought!

lol!

sorry couldnt help myself :D[/quote]

Seraph u need the 'breathe in...breathe out' routine again?

[quote="Ramz"]My family is huge. Two older guys cousins of mine live with me. I only see them when I'm home from Uni but is it wrong for me to mess around with them like I do to my younger brothers? They've lived in my house since I was a little girl there is no way I can avoid them.

What does Islam say about mixing with guy cousins?[/quote]
the rules of hijab and interaction with non-mehram applies to cousins too.

[quote="muslim_kuri"][quote="Seraphim"][quote="muslim_kuri"][quote="Ramz"]
What does Islam say about mixing with guy cousins?[/quote]

as far as i know the same applies for male cousins because they are still non-mahram...in other words u can get married 2 them[/quote]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

perish the thought!

lol!

sorry couldnt help myself :D[/quote]

Seraph u need the 'breathe in...breathe out' routine again?[/quote]

sorry... i had too much sugar that morning. :oops:

I dont wear a hijaab outside the house so why would I wear it inside the house. I see them as my brothers, Ive been brought up with them. But I will cut down on messing around with them

[quote="Ramz"]I dont wear a hijaab outside the house so why would I wear it inside the house. I see them as my brothers, Ive been brought up with them. But I will cut down on messing around with them[/quote]
u wer saying that inshaAllah ur thinking of wearing it soon? so then ud have to wear it in front of them too. i know wot u mean, its hard to cut off from cousins if uv been brought up alongside them like siblings, but islamically its important u do so (maybe u can do it firmly but gradually, so that they dont notice, and its easier for u?)

Aasiya I wake up in the morning and I see them first thing. I bump into them on the way to bathroom I see them at breakfast table and we all watch eastenders together. I will wear a scarf soon but wearing it 24/7 at home will be impossible.

[quote="Ramz"]Aasiya I wake up in the morning and I see them first thing. I bump into them on the way to bathroom I see them at breakfast table and we all watch eastenders together. I will wear a scarf soon but wearing it 24/7 at home will be impossible.[/quote]
thats y the idea of an extended family isnt very appealing. :?

i dunno, maybe if u force urself to wear it wenever they're at home, they'll see that you're serious about it and get the message, and avoid being there wen ur around. besides, did u say ur at uni most of the time? so its not like it'll be much of a problem right? 🙂