Taliban-Muslims & Submitters-Kaffirs=???

judda —

I is sick to death of hearing people call Taliban Muslims and the Submitters Kaffirs. Any way what did u like about the bloody Taliban so much that you can even think to call them Muslims? Their black hearts? or maybe there exhilarating lifestyle? I is disgusted! Shame on u revival!

Why do u h8 submitters so much? and what is it with Rashad Khalifa?

Rashad Khalifa was treated as a hero first by the same religious groups that attack him now, when he discovered the Mathematical Miracle of the Quran. The significance of the number 19 is NOT the only miracle in the Koran and Rashad Khalifa does not have the intellectual capacity to discover all the other miracles in the Koran, many others have been discovered too and there are still more to be discovered. http://groups.msn.com/PaKiMuSLiMz/theholyquran.msnw All calculations are done on a computer, I know Islam is a backwards religion but God never prohibited the computer, so u can all check 4 ur self…

When Rashad Khalifa called him self a messenger and told his followers to reject hadith and sunna then he was defamed, attacked, insulted then assassinated

Rashad Khalifa was assassinated in January, 1990. A group of Black Muslims named Fuqara were used by international terrorist forces operating from Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. The FBI discovered later that the group Fuqara was related to the group that bombed the World Trade Center on September, 11, 2001, they are related to Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden.

The Taliban had the strictest interpretation of Islam and the Submitters have the most lenient interpretation of Islam. The Submitter reject Hadith and Sunna and the Taliban turned their back on the Holy Koran.

And I want a debate about “who is worse” Taliban or Submitters? Or who do YOU think God hates more… and who do YOU hate more….

Coz my beliefs are entwined with Whabism and submission, I is sure u know what I think….

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Sajid Iqbal — Mon, 5 Sep 2005 - 16:53

salaam
interesting post yuit,
i suppose most of us only read the western media, so it makes a change to hear something different from teh media on this issue.
i think everyone has got their own views and issues about the taliban.
I know shaykh hamza yusuf was very critical of the taliban and i kind of agreed with what he was saying.
wasalaam

yuit — Mon, 5 Sep 2005 - 17:14

Yeah, I am in no doubt that most of the afghani who came to the Uk who ain't religious hated the Taliban, that understandable. But, I was always interested to hear from the more religious one. They too were not fond of the Taliban as well and they didn't agree with everything they done, but they were much more critical of teh muslims generally worldwide, and they stated that they felt rejected. Because too many muslims countries were quick to cut off ties with them on the say so of other, leaving the people to suffer.

I think that there was too much of a one sided view given to the world about the Taliban and that was due to the fact they didn't do much PR, which cost them in the end. It seem that some of the info given was false about the Taliban, we only need to realise what Blair said about the fact that getting rid of herion was another good reason to go after the Taliban, when we all knew what teh Taliban done with Drugs, also Yvvone Ridley case is another very interesting one on the subject as well, which also goes against what we heard in the media here. Here another interesting article on the Taliban.

http://www.beautifulislam.net/taliban/canada_physician.htm

Sirus — Mon, 5 Sep 2005 - 23:46

[quote="Medievalist"]Yvonne Ridley was captured by them talibans yeh?

did she become a muslim later?[/quote]
Yes

You can see her on Islam Channel.....but im afraid you can hear her voice

Angel — Mon, 5 Sep 2005 - 23:51

[quote="Medievalist"]maybe i can switch on islam channel, put a cloth over the tv screen and put it on mute and then see what she has to say and watch her programme?[/quote]

astigfirallah you shouldnt even be talkin bout Yvonne, shame on you!!

You — Mon, 5 Sep 2005 - 23:51

[quote="Medievalist"]maybe i can switch on islam channel, put a cloth over the tv screen and put it on mute and then see what she has to say and watch her programme?[/quote]

go ahead.

let us know what you learn.

Medarris — Mon, 5 Sep 2005 - 23:52

O my word! cant even make a joke yeh without you lot going on the offensive.

I was trying to add a bit of humour to what you think of me, but seems to have backfired.

Angel — Mon, 5 Sep 2005 - 23:53

[quote="Medievalist"]O my word! cant even make a joke yeh without you lot going on the offensive.

I was trying to add a bit of humour to what you think of me, but seems to have backfired.[/quote]

Looks like the so called master of sarcasim doesnt even himself understand when sum1 else is being sarcy :roll:

You — Mon, 5 Sep 2005 - 23:58

[quote="Medievalist"]O my word! cant even make a joke yeh without you lot going on the offensive.

I was trying to add a bit of humour to what you think of me, but seems to have backfired.[/quote]

Or did it?

A smiley is not always needed.

They are a burden.

judda — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 - 13:29

[quote="Admin"][quote="Judda"]I is sick to death of hearing people call Taliban Muslims and the Submitters Kaffirs. Any way what did u like about the bloody Taliban so much that you can even think to call them Muslims? Their black hearts? or maybe there exhilarating lifestyle? I is disgusted! Shame on u revival![/quote]

Just missed answering that before.

Being a muslim is based on beliefs.

The Taliban, while not being brilliant, did accept the core Islamic beliefs.

The submitters do not.

Hence the taliban are muslims, the submitters are not.

And calling yourself a messenger of Allah is the same as calling yourself a Rasul/Nabi.[/quote]

yeah but not all submitters see Rashad as a messenger some see him as just a scholer...

I HATE THE TALIBAN SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH

They rejected the koran Admin, how can they be muslims?

Which one of the following veres in the koran dont u understand admin.....

THERE SHALL BE NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION

OPPRESSION IS WORSE THEN MURDER

GOD DOES NOT LOVE THE WICKED

KILLING SOMEONE UNJUSTLY IS EQUIVELENT TO KILLING THE WHOLE OF MANKIND

YOU SHALL TREAT EVERYONE WITH RESPECT

All the above are written in the koran, I am sure u have come across all of them at some point....

My bro rejects the hadith, there are reported to be around 700,000 hadith (well thats what it says on the foribidden site) , now thats a whole load of stuff to reject, God said in the koran that his book is the BEST HADITH, the taliban rejected the best hadith!!!! And I wonder which parts of Muhammads sunnah the taliban actully took notice of...

judda — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 - 13:31

[quote="Medievalist"]Yvonne Ridley was captured by them talibans yeh?

did she become a muslim later?[/quote]

does she support the taliban?

Dave — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 - 13:41

lol Yvonne Ridley is a classic case of Stockholm Syndrome.

She described Abu Hamza as a "sweet guy," I seriously call her sanity into question.

judda — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 - 13:53

pardon my stupidity but whats "Stockholm Syndrome".

she sounds like a nutcase.

the retards "one of them"

in fact so is every1 in da forum

I reckon they hypnotised the women.

I can't understand y some girls support oppression 4 women :shock:

Dave — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 - 14:20

[quote="Judda"]pardon my stupidity but whats "Stockholm Syndrome".

she sounds like a nutcase.

the retards "one of them"

in fact so is every1 in da forum

I reckon they hypnotised the women.

I can't understand y some girls support oppression 4 women :shock:[/quote]

It's a psychological disorder in which a person due to extreme emotional stress and dependency on their captor for survival - becomes attached to their cause, or in some cases person.

The classic example is Patty Hearst who was captured by the Symbionese Liberation Army and ended up working for them.

judda — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 - 14:30

erm.... actually I am starting to feel sorry for her now.... poor thing... not her fault is it?

infact i is crying 😢 😢 😢

Dave — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 - 14:36

I don't think there will ever be any serious investigation into whether or not she has stockholm syndrome - she would never consent, and muslims would rightfully find it somewhat insulting.

However if you look at the total 180 she did and given the circumstances it's definitely conducive to Stockholm Syndrome.

Describing Hamza as a "sweet guy" is downright peculiar.

You — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 - 14:52

Hye, politeness is an extremely sought after virtue!

You will be surprised at how polie alot of Muslim scolars are.

Now if the dark side also uses this trait, they will still be polite, even when cursing people to death.

judda — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 - 15:00

Admin I is not polite but I haven't got a black heart....

[quote="Constantine"]I don't think there will ever be any serious investigation into whether or not she has stockholm syndrome - she would never consent, and muslims would rightfully find it somewhat insulting.
[/quote]

insulting?

wud u B offended if an athiest that got captured by the KKK and then later started working for them was taken to a phyciatrist?

only sum1 that supports them wud be offended.

2 b a muslim u CANNOT reject hadith and sunnah

but it is perfectly acceptable to reject gods book the koran..... THE BEST HADITH.... which god even described with his own attributes...

[quote="Constantine"]Huh?

Was that directed at me?[/quote]

yes it was!

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!

Dave — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 - 15:03

[quote="Judda"]Admin I is not polite but I haven't got a black heart....

[quote="Constantine"]I don't think there will ever be any serious investigation into whether or not she has stockholm syndrome - she would never consent, and muslims would rightfully find it somewhat insulting.
[/quote]

insulting?

wud u B offended if an athiest that got captured by the KKK and then later started working for them was taken to a phyciatrist?

only sum1 that supports them wud be offended.

2 b a muslim u CANNOT reject hadith and sunnah

but it is perfectly acceptable to reject gods book the koran..... THE BEST HADITH.... which god even described with his own attributes...[/quote]

Well there is a possibility it could intimate that people who convert to Islam aren't right in the head.

Given the gravity of the situation is not so compelling to society as to warrant such a breach of her privacy and the embarassment it might cause to muslims it's better to leave it alone.

judda — Tue, 20 Sep 2005 - 15:20

[quote="Constantine"]haha - I hope somebody out there gets that.

Twas clever[/quote]

I haven't got a fricken clue about what u r on about