good subject admin...what i wanna know is whos going to come first yajooj majooj or dajaal.....where are yajooj majooj i heard they somwher in yhis world in a place no 1 can get 2 and all day they break the wall of the place they in to escape to cause fitnah. and when they fall tired they go 2 sleep and whilst asleep allah makes the wall rise again so they have to start from scratch everyday. when they say the word inshallah then they will be allowed to escape....
as for the dajaal hes going to come from syria and cause fitnah ...hes going to claim to be god and try to get everyone on his side.obviously the muslims weak in imaan will be in such fear they will go on his side and go to his heaven which will really be hell..no one will be able to defeat him until hadrat isa will come and kill him with an spear
ppl living in makkah medina cannot be harmed as the dajaal will not be able to reach dem areas....dis subject scares me so much that each time discussed i wish i lived in saudi
Why not move? (messin)
Neway gog magog supposed to be behind the great wall of china, apparently they gona have a lil army thing goin, i knw we talkin bout dajjal but are gog magog in anyway linked with dajjal as opposed to them being the fitna?
remember the story element mixed in with the whole lot.
So the truth behind gog and magog? I once again dunno.
Where are they? noone knows, many guess many different locations.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Really? cuz i have only ever heard of gog magag being behind the great china wall, what other locations? maybe we can track them down
track em down :shock: 2 scared....make it a mission
is there just 2 gog magog or is it a whole army.....i heard they like dwarfs . they in such a location which no 1 can reach so the great wall of china prob a nono.....guyz i heard if u learn i dont know if its the first ten ayahs last ten or first and last of surah kahaf the dajaal cannot harm u..if he appears in our time any1 know of this?
lemme know im confused
Well for a start the christian version is Gog being a king of a land called Magog, who invade Israel from 'The North'.
[url=http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06628a.htm]The catholic christian version[/url]
Islamic version there will be two tribes of people, who will come after the Dajjal.
Two hadith taken from [url=http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=79]here[/url]
There is a bit of history about the gog and magog (apparently of turkish decent...) which may be folklore, or based on true traditions.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I'll track them down once i have my iman strengthened.
I think gog magog gona be the main leaders and the they gona have loads and loads of ppl in their army who are gona eat anythin and everythin (humans included?, so i heard)
Also heard bout memorising the ayats, but cant confirm its surah kahf
you will not track them down.
On the other hand they may well track us down!
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
so the people that are already dead lieing in they graves at the mo will they be back on earth when gog magog appear
where does the blowing of the trumpet come in dis?
any1 know of the ayahs lemme know .
I am getin more confused...gog magog aint gona attack the dead, only those livin..they are gona come b4 the day of judgement..the dead will only be raised then when the trumphet is blown
p.s. true they will track us down, scary thought!
Intersting link:
http://www.iras.ucalgary.ca/~volk/sylvia/GogAndMagog.htm
Its got a bit from historical perspective. Its got various accounts that I am reading through.
But Gog and Magog are a different issue from Dajjal though, so I may separate this into a separate topic...should I?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
no i think u shud leave it as it is coz when dajaal is mentioned every1 tends to mention gog and magog and the whole judgement day topic..its more beta dis way but up 2 u :
how do we know in so much detail about gog magog dajaal what they gna do what they look like how they gna die.has it been revealed in the quran?
so the trumpets gna be blown after all this fitnah?
The 1st part of the link is confusin how many diff. names are they refered by?
yeh i think you should make it in2 two diff. will lessen the confusion
no confusion; howeva u wish
that link gives different historical accounts. Its a very good read. Very informative.
It surprising how similar alot of the tales are.
It suggests the location of them was the caucauses.
It also mentiones the Islamic version about half way down. (ana a smaller version stating they in afghanistan at the bottom...)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
They cannot be tracked down because when they emerge it will be as if from a place that was unchartered and layed undiscovered from any map etc.
A clever mind can entertain a thought without accepting it
The Holy Qur’an predicts the coming of two tribes called Gog and Magog (i always thought they were 2 guys... live and learn), in connection with the Last Day. Dr Muzammil Siddiqui has this to say on the subject:
Thus, Islamic tradition speaks of a major war of the Muslims (including those Jews and Christians who follow Jesus after his return) led by Imam Mahdi, against the kafirs (non-believers) and mushriks (the polytheists) led by the Antichrist. In this battle, Jesus will kill the Dajjal and there will be a peaceful government under him until his death (peace be upon him).
It is true that some people have applied the predictions in the Qur’an and the Hadith, to recent events like the Gulf War, Palestine. But good scholars are careful not to specifically point to any particular historical event, or to any particular person in this connection, as they know that clear knowledge of the hour is with Allah alone.
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The catholic encyclopedia didn't do a very good job of explaining that one...
Gog and Magog are mentioned in two places in the bible, Ezekiel and Revelations - this is not surprising because the book of Revelations borrows heavily from the imagery used by the prophets Ezekiel and Danyael. In Ezekiel's description Gog is actually a fallen angel. This came from the Jewish belief (which might not still be part of reformed jewish beliefs) that every nation had a guardian angel - and that all of these angels were fallen angels except Michael (Israel's guardian). Gog is the guardian angel of a people called magog (of gog). Ezekiel says that Gog will lead the magog - identified as persians, and babylonians, against the nation of Israel, and will be crushed.
In the book of Revelations on the other hand Gog and Magog are places - usually they are translated as "the far corners of the world" indicating that the entire world will come down against the true believers. God intervenes and crushes the army of infidels, and the believers in the city of David (Jerusalem) are saved.
wasnt dhul-qarnayn the prophet who constructed the wall which gog magog are hidden within
just read somat about the wall being on the shore of caspian sea.any1 heard of caspian sea?
oops just realised i got the above from an ahmadiyya site i dnt know how true they are in they islamic theorys
Caspian sea is that massive lake type of thing in western russia/eastern europe.
[url=http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=caspian+sea&hl=en&sa=N&tab=ii&oi=ima... Link[/url]
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Yajuj Majuj
1. Descendents fo Nabi Nuh alayhis salaam through his son Yafith
2. Normal humans. They are not midgets with big tongues, or dwarves with long ears, or hobbits with funny furry feet. They are normal humans.
3. A number of walls were built to defend against Yajuj Majuj. According to what I have been taught great wall of china, 2 walls in caucuses and the wall of Hadrat Dhul Qarnayn were built against them. The final wall was the one built by Hadrat Dhul Qarnayn.
4. They are two tribes - Yajuj and Majuj.
5. The decendents of Abba Adam alayhis salaam have been divided into 10 parts. 1 part are the people from Sayyidina Adam alayhis salaam til the end days. 9 parts are the tribes of Yajuj Majuj.
6. They will escape when ALLAH wills. None of us poxy pathetic humans will discover them.
7. The first of them will drink from the Lake Tiberias. The last of them will comment that there was once water there. Meaning they will drink the entire Lake Tiberias dry due to their huge numbers.
8. They will wreak havoc on earth and will shoot arrows up to heaven. Saying by this that they wish to destroy the dwellers of the heavens. The arrows will return to the ground with blood, and they in their ignorance will claim to have conquered the earth and the heaven.
9. Then they will be destroyed. I think with worms burrowing into their necks?
10. The earth will stink with their corpses but then ALLAH Almighty will send rains to wash away the Yajuj Majuj.
11. According to the Mujadid of the Indian Subcontinent, the Hakeem of the Ummah, Hadrat Mawlana Ashraf Ali Thanwi rahmatullahi ta'ala alayh they are in the north pole but ALLAH Almighty knows best.
Ya ALLAH Madad.
Haq Chaar Yaar
good info there. Just a few points:
1. are all those confirmed by either Qur'an and sunnah? or are some points just hearsay/fables? I can recognise some of them from the study I have dome since yesterday.
2. where are those fractions from? 9.10 and 1/10?
3. Did Yafith and other non believers not perish during the flood?
4. You can refer to a scholar by just adding the Hadhrat before it. There is no need for adding titles that do not mean anything.
5. Now we have atleast three different reports of their location: North Pole, Himalayas, Caucases. However these people may just be normal people who decide for instance to become devil worshippers.
North pole: do you think that may have just been used as it was one of the last inaccessible places on earth?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
north pole :shock:
How would they have room with Santa and all his elven workshops up there?
Anybody notice Santa seems to be exempt from copyright laws?
Are the colours not TM of coca cola?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Not precisely sure - there was a time where he was green and white...
who what when?
Santa Claus!
They say that the present imagine of the pleasantly rotund gentleman is actually from coke adds.
Of course they also say that Coke is a jewish conspiracy...
So these things really shouldn't be taken too seriously.
they also say coke originally was a cough medicine.
And that pepsi had to change their formula to remove narcotics.
So it works both ways.
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