Two important polls going on today:
1. Greece.
The people are voting again after the last elections 6 weeks ago proved inconclusive.
The results could decide whether greece stays in the Euro, the EU both, either or none.
Very important european election where there are no guarantees and this could be the first nation to leave the eurozone and that is an unknown as the euro was not built for anyone to leave it ever. Questions exist if it could survive a state leaving and also how bad or good this would be for Greece.
2. Egypt.
It's the run off presidential elections the week after the old remnants have been making themselves felt.
On one side is the last prime minister from the Mubarak era and on the other side is their dreaded nemesis, a candidate from the Muslim Brotherhood.
The added spice is that in the past week judges appointed by Muabarak have manage to pass judgement closing the parliament which also had a large Muslim Brotherhood presence and also enacted other laws.
Some thing this is all to crown the old guard, remnants of the old regime. but that is something that we will see only shortly. We will see if the revolution is undone or if it is manipulated - its is standard that everyone will try to make the revolution be more favourable for them, but it is not a guarantee who will come out on top.
Once again there is uncertaintly who will have the upper hand here, but initial predictions are that the old regime's man may have won the elections.
There will be much soul searching here for the ordinary people to see what went wrong and even more from the Muslim Brotherhood. Not only did they miss the revolution when they told their supporters not to take part, but when handed victory ona golden plate, they managed to drop it.
On top of that there is the Syrian situation where there is much carnage going on with the regime massacring its own civillians and militias from the governments side and from the opposition offfering help in doing so.
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Can you tell me a bit more about the Muslim Brotherhood please?
Old organisation started up a long time ago which the various ruling regimes in egypt considered dangerous to them.
The Muslim Brotherhood was suppressed, pushed underground.
But it survived and had an underground structure since it was more than a political party, it was a support network with schoolsm, hospitals and more that it provided.
It has been pretty brow beaten over time.
So much so that when the protests started last year, it advised its activists not tot ake part.
It missed that boat.
Then when it realised how it had missed the boat, it came out in force.
There were parliamentary elections in Egypt a few months later and sice that was the only organised party, it did well in getting 44% of the parliament seats.
However then there was an internal struggle. The political head of the Muslim Brotherhood wanted to stand for president but the Muslim Brotherhood wanted to stay out of the presidential race.
So when he said he would stand for presidency, they kicked him out.
He was apparently a good candidate who understood things.
Confusingly a few months later, the Muslim Brotherhood then decided to stand for presidency, announcing a new candidate ion favour of the old one they had kicked out.
He was less tolerant, less adaptable, less pleasing to the people that are not the Muslim Brotherhood's normal power base.
There was the first round of voting where the last prime minister under Mubarak and the new Muslim brotherhood candidate both got more votes than the rest but not 50% so now there is a run off vote today.
The old guard preminister guy who is 76 has the support of the military and remnants of the old regime and has run a scare campaign that if the Muslim Brotherhood candidate wins, he will try to create an "islamic state" where Christians would be persecuted and so would other minorities and women.
The Muslim Brotherhood were not able to conduct themselves as well, and have not been able to fight this mud slinging and have in parliament apparently not come across as too conciliatory with minorities (though I have not investigated this and this may just be me reading the wrong articles).
and now they may lose a victory that was handed to them on a platter, all because of their own incompetence.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Not a cult, but an old bogeyman that was used by the regme to scare the people.
It has done a lot of good but is inexperienced in the field of politics since it was suppressed for a long time.
But it still may win the presidential elections.
The parliamentary ones are being disputed currently where the MB are arguing that the parliament cannot be annulled by the judges or by the army as it was elected by the people, but generally those with a gun have the authority in situations like this.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
wow, thank you for that!
What kind of rules and legislations does the Muslim Brotherhood stand for?
To follow the qur'an and sunnah (but mabny groups trey to do this and all have their own peculiarities).
It's political wing is trying to mould itself on the AKP of Turkey, but is younger, less experienced, more naive.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
It is not just about misconceptions and bad intentions.
Two scholars can genuinely interpret two entirely diferent things from the same text. This has happened and is allowed.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
It is easy to sloganeer and is better to discuss matters on a point by point basis.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
always go wi the the majority. sure to be safe inshaaAllah
anyway. muslim brotherhood won the elections. alhamdoulillah but its not over. now we've got to make duah that it all goes well.
reading http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/24/us-egypt-election-palestinians... dont understand why palestine would be egypt's no. 1 priority.
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
Hamas is Muslim Brotherhood aswell.
The priority of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt will be Egypt and the situations of the people there. atleast it should be and its expected to be and announced to be.
A strong Egypt though could be good for the Gazans as the previous regime was very meek and not something that Israel had to worry about and could dictate policy in regards to Gaza.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Probably the opposite - where more things need to be considered instead of ebing able to act with impunity.
It could be ok for Gazans if Gaza joins onto Egypt.
(what we are really seeing is the end of WW1)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
explain more, i'd like to know more
so..give up palestine and become Egypt and end the suffering? (and hand over Jerusalem to Jews)... it'd be sad..and it'd be a victory to Israel but... yesterday a 4 years old died. day before a 13 years old...this week 16 people got killed over there...
but i dont think Palestinians would give it up.
but i think it should be a hudaybiyyah like thing. with rights of entry etc... and then one day inshaaAllah when the muslims are betterly united , then we can have Falistin back. need to make ourselves worthy?
is all the "islamic" action happening over there? with the arab springs and stuff, seems all the interesting is happening over there. its painful and its got death and loss and killing but is middle east where all the changes for muslims are happening? right now?
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
Land is just land.
more important is human beings and their treatment and rights.
Forcing people off a land is a no-no, but after its happened, trying to find the best solution that allows them to live is something that has to be done.
The main idea is to end suffering and oppression.
but that exists currently in Egypt anyway. that mess needs to be sorted out by the egyptians but after that if they can help, why not.
As for WW1 - the divide of the arab lands happened after the result of WW1 and the divisiions and groups were arbitrarily created then.
There have been some revolutions and changes since, but overall things have stayed steady, fitting the design that was laid down in WW1 (for those people to never be able to rise again). That design has been unravelling recently, giving people their rights so that in the future they can rise to higher standards again.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Yup, the whole arab uprising was leading to the end of WW1 from when they took apart the Ottoman empire. When the time of empires was over and replaced by the countries we see today governed by the UN who took over at the end of WW2.
The aim was to hold all the power and for the arab countries to stay disunited and remain unthreatening to the UN. Everything up until now was going just how the UN wanted with only but a few revolting here and there.
This time it was different, they didn't expect the uprisings to last this long and spread this far. They had no control over the situation and couldn't get in their new puppet leaders to regain power.
The muslims have had enough and now with Syria on its way down too, i feel as though the land is being prepared for the muslims in sha Allah.
With the Muslim Brotherhood though i'm not sure how it's gonna work since the power(military) has been taken away from them.
We'll see i guess.
Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
i thought the UN were good guys?
Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?
I *think* he means the US.
The UN is just an institution that generally does what the biggest powers want it to do while sometimes irritating them.
Not everything went the qway of the US and the middleeast was designed to be impotent not by the US but by the major powers after WW1 - mainly Fthe UK and France. The US just took full advantage of the status quo after WW2, like any right minded nation would.
As for Syria, its complicated, it hasnt really held with the WW1 era stuff but at the same time it hasnt been enlightened beyond that and when the arabs did try to lift themselves above the WW1 era stuff (their botched attempt at the United Arab Republic which was a popularly elected decision in the sunni governed Syria to unite with Egypt, but overthrown by the military in Syria [and they had real grievances] where after a few more coup's we ended up with the modern regime), they did play into the hands of outsiders.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.