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WOW! Really?
I give up, all i'm gonna say is "what a load of crap". Sorry but the least i can say is that Humza has lost my respect.
Was just thinking when i was watching his response video again, that it seems very rehearsed from his choice of clothing and the nasheed at the end. Seems like he was pulling all the stops with it. Then i stumbled across the video above and...well i give up on defending him.
Anyway i'm not gonna make this a big issue or put DOABM or Humza on any list of importance. That's why i didn't bother commenting anymore on the Jabbar/Humza issue. Just thought you guys may be interested in seeing this. P.S. i know others may not agree with me or understand where i'm coming from or think i'm blowing this out of proportion but to me it just seems like this is not in the muslims bests interests.
I hope that i am wrong and that Humza thinks he is doing right by this.
Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
Agreed, he's portraying himself as a typical immature Asian...when he perhaps had the potential to do so much more. His videos were funny I guess, but at points it makes you think twice about the message he's sending out. And yes that response video if legit then mashAllah, but it seemed almost sickly sweet to me
Havent seen the link yet. Let's remember to give everyone 70 excuses and leave him to it, its getting tiring discussing him. And well... We should always give people "70 excuses" :o
Edit: Just watched the vid. I don't get why *this* is the vid that's making you not defend him? It has the usual silliness (so nothing different) and tbf a good message. :S unless you think voting is haraam?
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
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Allah knows best but he looks 'bought' to me, as i said i hope i'm wrong and i don't agree with voting for a kuffar system but that's not really the issue here as i respect other peoples opinions to vote as they have their evidences.
The last two vids just seem like he's trying to be very persuasive and i'm just not liking the brainwashy feeling this gives me. I'm just gonna go with my instincts on this one but i don't want to say what's on my mind because i may be wrong and have no evidence.
Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
Say what's on your mind - i'll help you see the error of your ways.
That's an even worse judgement than mine, i've atleast based mine on something but you've decided i'm wrong without knowing what i really think. Unless you know Humza personally i don't really think you can help with this one and i've met him a few times as he lives in my area.
I'm usually the one sticking up for him so it's nothing personal...and i'd rather i just keep my assumptioin my head for now, i don't want to make any false accusations and it's not a big issue.
Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
All i'm saying is there's nothing wrong / unislamic about this video?
All he's saying is "vote for Ken" (or have I just watched some completely unrelated video?)
As for the point about "voting for a Kuffar system" we live in it, so should vote for someone. I feel there's a lot of good reasons to do so.
The main one being - if you and three others don't vote at all and the BNP / EDL win by two votes they'll introduce measures to make the lives of Muslims more difficult?
Don't vote to get a "kuffar" in, but vote to keep a worse "kuffar" out?
Lesser of the two evils and all that....?
"If you have to chose between two evils, then chose neither"
Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
Who said that?
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Love the patronising and the whole EDL coming in threat. Thing is i don't see EDL doing a worse thing for muslims than Labour, conservatives etc. they're not smart enough...IMO they're less harmful to muslims. If they attack muslims it'd be blatant but when the current leaders build mass muslim graves they get away with it.
I'm not voting anyone in so they can do as they please, and what reason does any party give for me to vote for them? A manifesto which they never stick by?
Anyway you vote because you think it's right, your happy and I don't vote cause i don't think it's right, i'm happy as long as i'm trying to please Allah.
Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
No one's telling you to vote for someone you're not happy with or to vote at all. We're just trying to understand why you'd think it's wrong to vote at all.
I don't understand how it can be ok for Muslims to love in a non-Shariah abiding country and accept the general laws but then not actually vote for the lawmakers. Actually no country has shariah and the khilafa is just a wishy washy dream atm, so to me it doesn't make sense to just allow the worst to continue happening.
"Evil will prevail when good men do nothing."
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Not Green Party. Bad Man said to vvote for Ken?
I wish everyone who thought like you voted for Labour in 2010. Then perhaps Muslims wouldn't be worrying about the £27,000 HE fee and the interest it will have on it. Education is vital and yeah people might want to become scholars and just have Islamic education, but at the end of the day not everyone can do that, people need to live 'normal' lives and we need people to go into other professions too. Muslims need to be professionals in every walk of life and inspire, lead and help others in the process. Also we probably wouldn't be worrying about the privatisation of the NHS and other stuff if the Tories had not been voted in.
And you can thank Ken Livngstone for the free transport (or is it just bus fare?) that the kids in London get. You can thank the govt for providing free education, giving benefits and so on.
The govt may not be perfect, but I'm sure you like living here compared to 'back home', right?
Not every vote makes a difference, but you can try. I really don't see how doing nothing helps, it'd be better to have a little bit of what a candidate promises than nothing at all.
I know you try not to bring up this topic, but I really just want you to think about the other side of the argument rationally and try to discuss it out with us, instead of just burying it under the carpet. You never know, we both might learn something and even change our views!
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Well i just thought, what in the world! I honestly thought he'd change his ways to become more calmer. But i feel like he's even more in your face, than he was in the 10 episodes!
Well, he aimed to show the importance on voting, so good on him! I'd find it hard to decide what party should be elected. In the most simple words: Labour put us into debt, now the LibDems and Torries are trying to get us out but haven't sided with the communities that will be affected the most. I like Salma Yakoob by the way
Badman has gone UP in my estimation.
Stupid to put him down for this - especially when the choice is between someone who is more pro muslim than the other, I dont get why its a bad idea for him to support that guy.
If a successful candidate does harm and no one stood up to vote against him, does that mean the people are innocent or guilty of aiding and abetting him?
Its often less well known that when the early Muslims migrated to ethiopia, shortly after there was an atempted coup, a take over of the ethiopian kingdom. The Muslims fought to defend the king because he was just.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Foysol, the Prophet (pbuh) said that if we can stop some evil happening, then ideally we should stop it with our hand (by voting), if not then by our tongue (by speaking out) and if not that (if we live in an absolute dictatorship) then at least we should hate it with our heart.
If we don't vote then we can't complain if things go wrong, the key is to get ivnolved and hold the people elected to account. You do that and you're going to have SOME influence as they will be worried about losing your vote.
Please don't think that you can never make a difference, imagine if the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Martin Luther King, Barack Obama, Muhammad Ali, Nelson Mandela or any leading activist thought like that.
“Before death takes away what you are given, give away whatever there is to give.”
Mawlana Jalal ud Din Rumi
I've always liked him. Think he's funny. But it took me a while to actually click play to is video.
How come he's gone up in your estimation?
Because others hate on him.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Well that was one boring reason.
salam, i appreciate the responses and the naseeha you guys are trying to give me, jazakallah khairun. end of the day we aren't here to win arguments or anything meaningless like that. we are insha Allah trying to please Allah SWT and find the truth.
the main reason i'm against voting for a democratic leader in the UK is because of the many vereses in the Qur'an where Allah says "whosoever rules by other than what Allah hath revealed: such are the disbelievers" (5:44). i am no expert of the Qur'an and i don't for one second believe i am fit to give an explanation of the ayats in the Qur'an.
i have read many explanations of these ayats and there are some i agree with and others not so much, but i'm not going to go into the explanation of this ayat. i'm gonna try to explain my view from a reality base insha Allah.
while living in the UK it is not necessary that i have to vote, i am not being forced to vote nor am i complelled to do so. the only reason i have for voting is for a personal benefit for example none of the major parties are against the war in Afghanistan, while the BNP is. so when people say i am doing voting for the lesser evil, which is the lesser evil? increased prejudice against muslims in the UK or the killing of muslims in Afghanistan? whoever you vote for you share responsibility in their action since you actively empowered them.
i have so much that i could say on this subject but i don't have the luxury of time right now so sorry if answer is not suffiecent.
i would just like to say though, where is the benefit of voting in these elections? what are we achieving? i'm sure it could benefit us all in many ways in this dunya but is that where our goals lie? i'm sure all of us here insha Allah are working to get to janna and IMO this will not benefit my goal of jannah.
i don't for one second believe that i shouldn't have a role to play in the dunya i live in, far from it. i do believe i can make a change but i also believe that the change should come from the Qur'an and sunnah. there is a dua for everything that we do and that is because our whole life, we live it for the sake of Allah SWT.
and with Allah is all success
Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH
Wsalam.
I still don't get it.
<< EDIT: these smileys aren't good for normal use! Didn't know that was gna come up, I'm not saying you're crazy 
Your taxes go towards their policies anyway and they do help you/others in some way - as Titanium said - it helps the community
And the BNP are never gna be in power so...
There may be duas for everything, but you need to act too. ok, so you refrain from voting but what are you doing instead? Peoples conditions in *this* country get worse because of the worst of the candidates getting voted in.
If you vote for someone who will have some benefit to the people whilst may do some bad too that is better than voting for no one and letting the candidate who is going to make things worse for *everyone* get into power.
arghhhhhhhhhhhhh whyyyy
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
LABOUR ARE BACK. END OF.
I'm curious to know their plans on making everyone in Britain, a little happier..
@ Foysol - with that stance do you also give up the right to criticise the establishment?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Ah well, just a local election, no matter
53%?! bloody hell.
@Hummus, they're not gna be that great, just slightly better than tories...though I can't ever imagine Ed Miliband being Prime Minister.
(With Fosyol, I am just debating about general democracy, I do not think the parties are very good or whatever. Oh and that the "lesser evil" is better)
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
Hmmmm, well Nagina Kousar represented my area for Labour. She attended a keep-fit session and told the women, 'I'm a woman, so vote for me'. Obviously, no-one was going to take that, so they ripped her apart (!) They even told her to join the classes to prove she cares about society.. LOL, that didn't happen, pretty obvious! They asked her if she had a job and she said she was a 'housewife' and she'd got into this whole politics business because 'her dad was a councillor'. I could not help but feel sorry for this woman, though i did laugh my head off!
I can't wait to listen to those long speeches *Yawns* but i hope they do try 'improving' things..
The other point in Foysol's post is that anywhere there is not a majority Muslim population, it advocates simply not taking part.
We have the actions of the sahabah we can fall back on as guidance and explanation, such as when they emigrated to abisynnia. They supported the government there and even fought for it.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
That govt probably didn't support anything which went against Islamic principles?
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
and we can try to get that here too.
Remember that allowing homosexual unions is not the same as enforcing it. That policy does not force us to sin, so while we may not like it, it is on a different level from eg banning the headscarf, which actually does infringe upon our faith.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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