How British do you feel?

Published by TPOS on 8 October, 2011 - 18:24

I was just wondering how much you see this country as your own since most of us aren't white/English.

For some reason, I don't think it's 'right' for me to protest against the monarchy and try to get rid of them. It just feels like a very English thing and not really my place to try and get rid of them especially when they don't affect me in any way. Perhaps I only feel that way since I don't care for the Royal family either way.

I support Pakistan when they're playing anyone else in cricket.

Culturally I'm waaaaaaaaaay more asian than english.

Oh and I know all the words to the Pakistani national anthem but not the British one. I don't like the British anthem though.

On the other hand, I could never feel Pakistan was 'my' country. I feel very out of place there and when I come back is when I'm relieved to be home. And if there was any other sort of protest, maybe one against the government/proposed laws then I would back it, if I agreed with it.

And going be "your mother tongue is the one you dream in", My mother tongue is english!

Submitted by LookingToSee on 9 October, 2011 - 16:47 #1

well..the british anthem is BLASPHEMYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and maybe you'd feel at home in PAkistan if all your mates and your house was there?

can you imagine the UNA? United Nations of Africa? Africa being a well developped, totally advanced continent? i can. and the dreamy me is basically thinking about moving there before it happens so i can be PART of it.

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Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary?

Submitted by You on 9 October, 2011 - 16:49 #2

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
I support Pakistan when they're playing anyone else in cricket.

If you were in Pakistan, you would probably take the opposite stance here. Just to annoy people.

Or I would.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by LookingToSee on 9 October, 2011 - 16:54 #3

You wrote:
ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:
I support Pakistan when they're playing anyone else in cricket.

If you were in Pakistan, you would probably take the opposite stance here. Just to annoy people.

Or I would.

thats a very good point actually, who do you support in international sports competition.

i dont feel compulsed of attracted to any team tbh.

but for the olympics i might support France, co i'm in England and to annoy...
and its fun and "exotic" to support Mauritius when they make a rare appearance anywhere.
or i might just support England

or i'm taking a fancy to MAlaysia these days so...
what about Palestine?

just call me TCK (third culture kid)

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Submitted by Lioness of Allah on 9 October, 2011 - 18:13 #4

At OP, i "gets" you....
I mean when anyone says "back home" i just look at them blankly and think "You've only lived at "home" for a couple of weeks every 5 years...Does that still count :s????"

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Submitted by TPOS on 10 October, 2011 - 17:13 #5

Lilly wrote:

and maybe you'd feel at home in PAkistan if all your mates and your house was there?

It's more about the peoples mentality over there, I wouldn't be able to live it.

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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi

Submitted by Suhail (not verified) on 10 October, 2011 - 21:47 #6

not enough to salute to good old jack, on a serious note i don't consider myself much to be british, its not enough to just eat and live here to say im british...well you know how it goes, you can physically be in one place, yet your heart and mind will wonder elsewhere, longing for some change that your life currently lacks

ok yeah fine i consider myself a pakistani more, only because of attachment

Submitted by lollywood on 10 October, 2011 - 21:54 #7

I think the kids in the UK are facing an identity crisis because when they go back to there parents country of origin for a holiday they get called Walaiti[Brits] and when they are in the UK they get called by the origin of there parents country which confuses them

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My English is not very good

Submitted by iRazor on 11 October, 2011 - 12:51 #8

Its a weird n wonderful thing. Makes us unique, we have our own sub-culture and tradition.

I myself consider to be a british muslim. Yet I pay attention to what goes on in pakistani politics. I go to visit every now n again. Would never move there though!!!

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Some ppl make their goals the stars.
They may live n die n never reach the stars,
but in the darkness of the night, those stars will guide them to their destination.
Becuz they made them in their eyesight

Submitted by Omrow on 11 October, 2011 - 14:13 #9

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

I was just wondering how much you see this country as your own since most of us aren't white/English.

For some reason, I don't think it's 'right' for me to protest against the monarchy and try to get rid of them. It just feels like a very English thing and not really my place to try and get rid of them especially when they don't affect me in any way. Perhaps I only feel that way since I don't care for the Royal family either way.

I support Pakistan when they're playing anyone else in cricket.

Culturally I'm waaaaaaaaaay more asian than english.

Oh and I know all the words to the Pakistani national anthem but not the British one. I don't like the British anthem though.

On the other hand, I could never feel Pakistan was 'my' country. I feel very out of place there and when I come back is when I'm relieved to be home. And if there was any other sort of protest, maybe one against the government/proposed laws then I would back it, if I agreed with it.

And going be "your mother tongue is the one you dream in", My mother tongue is english!

Miss Power is right on many things.

I love Britain because I love British people. They are so cool.

I love the language. And, I also like the Anthem. Its beautiful.

The British Anthem:

God Save the Queen

God save our gracious Queen,
Long live our noble Queen,
God save the Queen:
Send her victorious,
Happy and glorious,
Long to reign over us:
God save the Queen.
O Lord, our God, arise,
Scatter her enemies,
And make them fall.
Confound their politics,
Frustrate their knavish tricks,
On Thee our hopes we fix,
God save us all.
Thy choicest gifts in store,
On her be pleased to pour;
Long may she reign:
May she defend our laws,
And ever give us cause
To sing with heart and voice
God save the Queen.

Omrow

Submitted by Omrow on 11 October, 2011 - 14:18 #10

This is the Pakistan's National Anthem:

پاک سرزمین شاد باد
كشور حسين شاد باد
تو نشان عزم علیشان
! ارض پاکستان
مرکز یقین شاد باد

pāk sarzamīn shād bād
kishwar-i hasīn shād bād
tū nishān-i `azm-i `alīshān
arz-i pākistān!
markaz-i yaqīn shād bād

Blessed be the sacred land
Happy be the bounteous realm
Thou symbol of high resolve
O Land of Pakistan!
Blessed be thou centre of faith

پاک سرزمین کا نظام
قوت اخوت عوام
قوم ، ملک ، سلطنت
! پائندہ تابندہ باد
شاد باد منزل مراد

pāk sarzamīn kā nizām
qūwat-i ukhūwat-i `awām
qaum, mulk, sultanat
pā'inda tābinda bād!
shād bād manzil-i murād

The order of this sacred land
Is the might of the brotherhood of the people
May the nation, the country, and the state
Shine in glory everlasting!
Blessed be the goal of our ambition

پرچم ستارہ و هلال
رہبر ترقی و کمال
ترجمان ماضی شان حال
! جان استقبال
سایۂ خدائے ذوالجلال

parcham-i sitāra-o hilāl
rahbar-i taraqqī-o kamāl
tarjumān-i māzī, shān-i hāl
jān-i istiqbāl!
sāya-i khudā-i zu'l-jalāl

The flag of the crescent and star
Leads the way to progress and perfection
Interpreter of our past, glory of our present
Inspiration of our future!
Shelter of God, the Glorious and Mighty

Submitted by Ya'qub on 11 October, 2011 - 15:05 #11

Having a national anthem is almost definitely imitating the kafirun, & what more it's imitating the imperialist kafirun who tore lands apart & subjugated the population.

Nationalism, eww

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Don't just do something! Stand there.

Submitted by The Lamp on 11 October, 2011 - 15:13 #12

I think the Pakistani National Anthem is better than the Britsh one to be honest.
But I consider myself more British than Pakistani, I love this country I feel at home here. I wouldn't feel like that in Pakistan, to be honest.

In football I would probably support England, but if they played against Palestine (yeah they have their own team now!) then I would support them.
Speaking of anthems and Palestine, there are two Fidai (My Redemption) and Mawtini (My Homeland).

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Submitted by You on 11 October, 2011 - 18:28 #13

Montenegro has a nicely atmospheric national anthem.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by _Me_ on 11 October, 2011 - 18:54 #14

I have a national anthem: Its called 'God save the peer'

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Submitted by malik on 11 October, 2011 - 19:22 #15

Surah Al Fatiha is the global anthem of all Muslims.

Sunnis and Shias both read it at least 17 times a day.

SURAH AL FATIHA

In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
The Compassionate, the Merciful.
Master of the Day of Judgment.
You we worship, and You we ask for help.
Guide us on the Straight Path.
The Path of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved your wrath, nor the lost.

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Submitted by _Me_ on 11 October, 2011 - 19:17 #16

malik wrote:
Surah Al Fatiha is the global anthem of all Muslims.
Sunnis and Shias both read it at least 17 times a day.

SURAH AL FATIHA

In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful.
Praise be to God, the Lord of the worlds.
The Compassionate, the Merciful.
Master of the Day of Judgment.
You we worship, and You we ask for help.
Guide us on the Straight Path.
The Path of those whom you have blessed, not of those who have deserved your wrath, nor the lost.

Yup

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Submitted by Foysol89 on 11 October, 2011 - 20:00 #17

Ya'qub wrote:
Having a national anthem is almost definitely imitating the kafirun, & what more it's imitating the imperialist kafirun who tore lands apart & subjugated the population.
Nationalism, eww

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Lets reunite the ummah under one flag LA ILAHA IL ALLAH MUHAMMADUR RASULULLAH

Submitted by TPOS on 11 October, 2011 - 20:34 #18

iRazor wrote:
British muslim youth from ethnic background are suffering from something I like to call 'Multiple Identity Crisis Syndrome' (all rights reserved).
Its a weird n wonderful thing. Makes us unique, we have our own sub-culture and tradition.

I myself consider to be a british muslim. Yet I pay attention to what goes on in pakistani politics. I go to visit every now n again. Would never move there though!!!

MICS ©

Syndrome doesn't sound very positive! I do agree it's weird and wonderful though. I can't say I've ever felt out of place over here, even if others don't see me as being British - I believe I am. We get the best of both worlds
Don't you find it hard and depressing to keep up with Pk politics?
What's stopping you from moving there?

Omrow wrote:

Miss Power is right on many things.

Omrow wrote:

I love the language. And, I also like the Anthem. Its beautiful.

What do you find beautiful about it?

Agreed with Lampy!

malik wrote:
Surah Al Fatiha is the global anthem of all Muslims.

Nice!

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"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi

Submitted by LookingToSee on 11 October, 2011 - 21:05 #19

I found a label for myself i can stick on my forehead.

its called Third Culture Kid. and i love it.

now, the french Anthem.:

Allons enfants de la Patrie, Arise, children of the Fatherland,
Le jour de gloire est arrivé ! The day of glory has arrived!
Contre nous de la tyrannie, Against us of tyranny
L'étendard sanglant est levé, (bis) The bloody banner is raised, (repeat)
Entendez-vous dans les campagnes Do you hear, in the countryside,
Mugir ces féroces soldats ? The roar of those ferocious soldiers?
Ils viennent jusque dans nos bras They're coming right into our arms
Égorger nos fils et nos compagnes ! To cut the throats of our sons and women!

Aux armes, citoyens, To arms, citizens,
Formez vos bataillons, Form your battalions,
Marchons, marchons ! Let's march, let's march!
Qu'un sang impur That an impure blood
Abreuve nos sillons ! Waters our furrows!

Que veut cette horde d'esclaves, What does this horde of slaves,
De traîtres, de rois conjurés ? Of traitors and conjured kings want?
Pour qui ces ignobles entraves, For whom are these vile chains,
Ces fers dès longtemps préparés ? (bis) These long-prepared irons? (repeat)
Français, pour nous, ah ! quel outrage Frenchmen, for us, ah! What outrage
Quels transports il doit exciter ! What fury it must arouse!
C'est nous qu'on ose méditer It is us they dare plan
De rendre à l'antique esclavage ! To return to the old slavery!