The Shia are NOT Muslim

Hyperbole and anecdotes, not all shias believe what is suggested in there.

The video is just a rant.

[Haven't watched vid]

Hmm
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showpost.php?p=34335729&postcount=9468

(and this guy's posted more fatwas)

While that may make it sound simple, it isnt.

Not all shias are equal and there has not been "no change" over the last 1400 years. We do not know the specific instances used for those utterances and they would also not apply to the people alive today.

A Fatwa of kufr is a very strong thing not to be taken lightly, something which is too easily done these days.

Until a person explicitly rejects an article that is unrejectable in Islam, you cannot make such declarations. You can only suggest that they are wrong.

[quote=You]Hyperbole and anecdotes, not all shias believe what is suggested in there.

The video is just a rant.[/quote]

*I think* they helped kill Imam Hassan and Hussain (r.a) and they beat themselves for doing that during Muharram to this day

[video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9LBm-S3aCQ]

[quote=lollywood]*I think* they helped kill Imam Hassan and Hussain (r.a) and they beat themselves for doing that during Muharram to this day [/quote]

and they will say that it was the sunnis that did it.

The current definitions did not apply back then.

Secondly, the sins of the father do not transfer to the child. You are not guilty if your great great great grandfather did something wrong.

[quote=You]
and they will say that it was the sunnis that did it.
[/quote]

Can they prove it?

[quote=You]
The current definitions did not apply back then.

Secondly, the sins of the father do not transfer to the child. You are not guilty if your great great great grandfather did something wrong.[/quote]
[/quote]

Don't the Christians say that every child is born a sinner because Adam ate the apple- or something like that?

Are you christian?

[quote=You]Are you christian?[/quote]

No

So why are you quoting christian ideas that do not mix well with what Islam says?

Everyone is born pure.

[quote=You]So why are you quoting christian ideas that do not mix well with what Islam says?

Everyone is born pure.[/quote]

Because Adam and Eve are known as Adam and Huwwa in Islam that's why

Do you read what I write? I keep going on about my Hindu/Sikh ancestors who converted to Sunni Islam so how could I be a Christian?

[quote=You]While that may make it sound simple, it isnt.

Not all shias are equal and there has not been "no change" over the last 1400 years. We do not know the specific instances used for those utterances and they would also not apply to the people alive today.

A Fatwa of kufr is a very strong thing not to be taken lightly, something which is too easily done these days.

Until a person explicitly rejects an article that is unrejectable in Islam, you cannot make such declarations. You can only suggest that they are wrong.[/quote]
Yeah I didn't know what to make of it, I was surprised I hadn't heard of these before and thought if its true, why isn't it more widely known.

[quote=lollywood][quote=You]So why are you quoting christian ideas that do not mix well with what Islam says?

Everyone is born pure.[/quote]

Because Adam and Eve are known as Adam and Huwwa in Islam that's why

Do you read what I write? I keep going on about my Hindu/Sikh ancestors who converted to Sunni Islam so how could I be a Christian?[/quote]

I am just pointing out the flaw in quoting christian ideas when you are not one.

The Muslim position that all babies are born pure and have a fitrah/nature that will tend towards goodness. They do not inherit the sins of their forefathers.

[quote=You]
I am just pointing out the flaw in quoting christian ideas when you are not one.

The Muslim position that all babies are born pure and have a fitrah/nature that will tend towards goodness. They do not inherit the sins of their forefathers.[/quote]

OK, but you wrote

[quote=You]
the sins of the father do not transfer to the child. You are not guilty if your great great great grandfather did something wrong.
[/quote]

which is not the case with Christianity that's why I pointed it out

[quote=lollywood][quote=You]
I am just pointing out the flaw in quoting christian ideas when you are not one.

The Muslim position that all babies are born pure and have a fitrah/nature that will tend towards goodness. They do not inherit the sins of their forefathers.[/quote]

OK, but you wrote

[quote=You]
the sins of the father do not transfer to the child. You are not guilty if your great great great grandfather did something wrong.
[/quote]

which is not the case with Christianity that's why I pointed it out[/quote]

There's no point talking about Christianity - that's the point.

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]
There's no point talking about Christianity - that's the point.
[/quote]

Point taken, but there's nothing wrong with taking an example is there?

[quote=lollywood][quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]
There's no point talking about Christianity - that's the point.
[/quote]

Point taken, but there's nothing wrong with taking an example is there?[/quote]
It was a random example which didn't fit.

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]
It was a random example which didn't fit.[/quote]

Ok, I agree that it was a random example but it did fit

[quote=lollywood]

Ok, I agree that it was a random example but it did fit[/quote]

How does explaining a Islamic concept with a Christian example fit?

[quote=Valkyrie][quote=lollywood]

Ok, I agree that it was a random example but it did fit[/quote]

How does explaining a Islamic concept with a Christian example fit?[/quote]

Islam say every child is born pure Christianity says the opposite

Every sect calls names to each other.

If you are a true Muslim, you will base your beliefs and actions of
words and methods of the Holy Prophet.

That is what Allah commanded.

If you want to listen to scholars and their own opionions, then that is your right.

[quote=malik]Every sect calls names to each other.

If you are a true Muslim, you will base your beliefs and actions of
words and methods of the Holy Prophet.

That is what Allah commanded.
[/quote]

Why don't you come out of your narrow minded shianess?

let each other be.

[quote=lollywood][quote=malik]Every sect calls names to each other.

If you are a true Muslim, you will base your beliefs and actions of
words and methods of the Holy Prophet.

That is what Allah commanded.
[/quote]

Why don't you come out of your narrow minded shianess?[/quote]
There's actually nothing wrong with the bit you've quoted. Just saying.

[quote=You]let each other be.[/quote]

Easier said then done

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]
There's actually nothing wrong with the bit you've quoted. Just saying.
[/quote]

But he does bang on about how great shia's are he never says anything good about sunni’s he even once said that only shia women make good house wives - do you think that’s fair?

I am not a shia, im not a sunni,I beieleive in Allah, I beileive in the prophet muhammad (saw). I am a muslim. POINT.

[quote=lollywood]

Why don't you come out of your narrow minded shianess?[/quote]

At least Shia Muslims are not kafir minded like you.

[quote=malik][quote=lollywood]

Why don't you come out of your narrow minded shianess?[/quote]

At least Shia Muslims are not kafir minded like you.[/quote]

Kafir minded?
you shias are kafir and na pak, this view is held my most Muslim scholars

I bet you don't know who your real father is because you're a produce of Mutah sex

Shut up idiots

[quote=lollywood]
I bet you don't know who your real father is because you're a produce of Mutah sex[/quote]

personal insults about people's families?

How long before lollywood gets banned from this website?