Can you strengthen your willpower?

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TPOS — Sun, 22 May 2011 - 23:19

[quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF]Well obviously [/quote]
That's what I thought. {waits for admin to argue the opposite}

[quote]Or no-one would ever overcome addictions.[/quote] That would work without you strengthening it, no? Like at first you may not want to give up, but then you do and your willpower comes into action.

You — Sun, 22 May 2011 - 23:21

[quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF]Well obviously Or no-one would ever overcome addictions.[/quote]

You just replace one addiction with a stronger one.

RI_RS — Sun, 22 May 2011 - 23:26

[quote=You][quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF]Well obviously Or no-one would ever overcome addictions.[/quote]

You just replace one addiction with a stronger one.[/quote]

Oh right yeah.

So you replace your smoking addiction with an addiction for not smoking :roll:

LookingToSee — Sun, 22 May 2011 - 23:29

[quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF][quote=You][quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF]Well obviously Or no-one would ever overcome addictions.[/quote]

You just replace one addiction with a stronger one.[/quote]

Oh right yeah.

So you replace your smoking addiction with an addiction for not smoking :roll:[/quote]

this time. i gotta love it.

RI_RS — Sun, 22 May 2011 - 23:35

[quote=Lilly][quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF][quote=You][quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF]Well obviously Or no-one would ever overcome addictions.[/quote]

You just replace one addiction with a stronger one.[/quote]

Oh right yeah.

So you replace your smoking addiction with an addiction for not smoking :roll:[/quote]

this time. i gotta love it.[/quote]

Pardon?

HarajukuDoll — Mon, 23 May 2011 - 00:02

[quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF]
So you replace your smoking addiction with an addiction for not smoking :roll:[/quote]

Waiiit. I don't get it.
Whilst you're trying to get over smoking how are you replacing it with an addiction for NOT smoking? That's just trying not to smoke. :S
And your will power is what's fighting your nafs and your need to smoke.
So... before you didn't have a strong enough will power. But now...by fighting the addiction, your strengthening your will power. So when you're fighting it, thats not an addiction for NOT smoking, it's just...trying not to smoke.
If you've never smoked, and you won't ever, does that mean you have an addiction for NOT smoking, or just that you don't smoke because you can't be asked or blabla? :S
Omg, Ive confused myself again.

TPOS — Mon, 23 May 2011 - 00:16

[quote=Lilly]it's just that there's loads of way of looking at it.

dont worry too much..[/quote]
please do explain (I dunno why I keep using that 'phrase')

RI_RS — Mon, 23 May 2011 - 00:33

[quote=HarajukuDoll][quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF]
So you replace your smoking addiction with an addiction for not smoking :roll:[/quote]

Waiiit. I don't get it.
Whilst you're trying to get over smoking how are you replacing it with an addiction for NOT smoking? That's just trying not to smoke. :S
And your will power is what's fighting your nafs and your need to smoke.
So... before you didn't have a strong enough will power. But now...by fighting the addiction, your strengthening your will power. So when you're fighting it, thats not an addiction for NOT smoking, it's just...trying not to smoke.
If you've never smoked, and you won't ever, does that mean you have an addiction for NOT smoking, or just that you don't smoke because you can't be asked or blabla? :S
Omg, Ive confused myself again.[/quote]

Sorry, I was being sarcastic because I dont think every addiction is just replaced by another addiction. The act of giving up an addiction is only giving up an addiction, its an omission, you're not nec getting addicted to someone else. Its like saying cigarette smokers all turn into junkies after or smth.

You — Mon, 23 May 2011 - 00:38

I would think that if a person just quits, that willpower already existed.

and/or new activities were chosen to cover for the times when a person would habitually smoke.

HarajukuDoll — Mon, 23 May 2011 - 00:44

[quote=You]I would think that if a person just quits, that willpower already existed.[/quote]

If it did, then giving up smoking would be easy and done ages ago. I.e you dont have enough strength to pick something up (same like not enough will power to give up smoking) but now that you gained enough strength (will power- exactly how to gain it? I don't know) you now can pick whatever up (and thus give up smoking).

RI_RS — Mon, 23 May 2011 - 00:48

[quote=You]I would think that if a person just quits, that willpower already existed.

and/or new activities were chosen to cover for the times when a person would habitually smoke.[/quote]

Right so a smoker who'd been smoking for years who did want to quit but they were so addicted that every time they tried they eventually gave in when it got too difficult but then they realised that cos they had a young child or something they had to force themselves to quit one at a time but it was very hard for them.

OBVIOUSLY they had some sort of willpower and the Capacity to improve their willpower but they only got the means and motivation to STRENGTHEN it by the realisation that their kid might suffer for it.

Just because they did it FOR a child, they're not REPLACING cigarettes with a kid, it's a completely different thing. Lack of smoking is merely an omission of smoking, there is a gap where the smoking would have been and there is also a kid.

RI_RS — Mon, 23 May 2011 - 01:01

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]So how do we actually strengthen our will? (and if any different, what about sins specifically)[/quote]

I dunno, i'm guessing you do stuff like
-Pray to God to strengthen your will
-Be more proactive around it Islamically
-Exercise the self control you know you have by mentally prioritising differently

Foysol89 — Mon, 23 May 2011 - 02:53

[quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF][quote=You]I would think that if a person just quits, that willpower already existed.

and/or new activities were chosen to cover for the times when a person would habitually smoke.[/quote]

Right so a smoker who'd been smoking for years who did want to quit but they were so addicted that every time they tried they eventually gave in when it got too difficult but then they realised that cos they had a young child or something they had to force themselves to quit one at a time but it was very hard for them.

OBVIOUSLY they had some sort of willpower and the Capacity to improve their willpower but they only got the means and motivation to STRENGTHEN it by the realisation that their kid might suffer for it.

Just because they did it FOR a child, they're not REPLACING cigarettes with a kid, it's a completely different thing. Lack of smoking is merely an omission of smoking, there is a gap where the smoking would have been and there is also a kid.[/quote]

exactky what i said, Motivation strengthens your will power and demotivation weakens it.

for staying away from sins etc. your motivation is to please Allah(swt) and to attain Jannah. it's just trying to keep that in mind i guess.

for example if i read an ayat in the Qur'an or hear a lecture i usually get some motivation to stay away from sin etc. vice versa, people or whispers from the shaitan can de-motivate you.

it's the same thing when trying to lose or gain weight, you need some motivation to keep you going

i don't know if any of this makes sense

RI_RS — Tue, 24 May 2011 - 00:05

[quote=s.b.f][quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF][quote=s.b.f]:lol:[/quote]

What is so funny? o.O[/quote]

It's a beneficial secret.[/quote]

😂

Fizz, Can willpower be Strengthened?

s.b.f — Tue, 24 May 2011 - 00:12

[quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF][quote=s.b.f][quote=MakeMeRawr_8TeenF][quote=s.b.f]:lol:[/quote]

What is so funny? o.O[/quote]

It's a beneficial secret.[/quote]

😂

Fizz, Can willpower be Strengthened?[/quote]

Let's not argue, when we both know the answer is blinkin' obvious. But do tell, what are your thoughts?