Al Shabaab

Published by Joie de Vivre on 28 October, 2010 - 18:41
I strongly object to Al Shabaab
53% (8 votes)
I do not strongly object to Al Shabaab
0% (0 votes)
I have never heard of Al Shabaab
47% (7 votes)
Total votes: 15
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Submitted by Joie de Vivre on 28 October, 2010 - 18:46

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"Those two girls were evil and they were spies for the enemy (the Somali government), but the mujahedeen caught them and after investigation, they admitted their crime, so they have been executed," said Sheikh Yusuf Ali Ugas, commander of Al-Shabaab in Beledweyne, a town in central Somalia.

The teens were blindfolded with their hands behind their backs against a tree, and shot, according to a local journalist.

A resident of Beledweyne told CNN that Al-Shabaab called on the town's residents to come out and watch the execution.

"Hundreds of people came out to watch the execution," he said. "It was very bad ... the girls looked shocked and were crying but [no one] could help."

A relative of one of the teens denied they were spies.

"My cousin, Ayan Mohamed Jama, was just 16 years old and she was absolutely innocent," said the relative, who did not want their name used out of fear of retribution from Al-Shabaab. "And Al-Shabaab caught her and the other girl between El-gal and Beledweyne and simply accused them of what they were not."

The other girl, said the relative, was 15. Al-Shabaab refused their families' request to see the teens while they were in detention, "and they executed them at a public gathering, so this is inhumane and cruelty."

The El-gal area has been the scene of heavy fighting recently between Somali government forces and Al-Shabaab.

"Ayan didn't have any contact with the government and even in her life, she never had a mobile [phone] so we can't understand how she could be accused of being a spy," the relative said.

Last year, Al-Shabaab stoned a teenage girl to death in Kismayo, a town in southern Somalia.

Al-Shabaab is waging a war against Somalia's government in an effort to impose a stricter form of Islamic law, or sharia.

Somalia has not had a stable government since 1991, and fighting between the rebels and government troops has escalated the humanitarian crisis in the famine-ravaged country.

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Submitted by You on 28 October, 2010 - 18:52

Two relevant tags on this website: and will cover a few of stories about them.

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Submitted by You on 28 October, 2010 - 19:04

public disclosure: The Revival's tag line of "voice of the Muslim Youth" translated into arabic would be something close to "Sawt al-shabaab al muslim".

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Submitted by Joie de Vivre on 28 October, 2010 - 19:05

"Would that report have been highlighted if they were not teenage girls?"

I just want to point out to you, although you edited this question from your post (NP with that), that your first reaction to this post of mine is defensive and illogical.

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Submitted by You on 28 October, 2010 - 19:09

Joie de Vivre wrote:
"Would that report have been highlighted if they were not teenage girls?"

I just want to point out to you, although you edited this question from your post (NP with that), that your first reaction to this post of mine is defensive and illogical.

That was not in the original. I edited to put it in and then thought better of it as its not really relevant.

My first thought was more along the lines of I wouldn't mind if you were keeping the forum members regularly apprised of the situation. Saves me a hassle.

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Submitted by Nasra on 28 October, 2010 - 20:13

well, this is bad,

But a little history on Somalia.

Al-Shabaab is actually one of three groups. They were one group first fighting against Ethiopia and the last president. They then were bought off by Ethiopia/America one by one,and they divided into 3 groups. One of the groups was the new president - and the other one is Hizbul Islam which kind of works together with Al-Shabaab.

So Al-Shabaab is saying we need to have a Islamic Sharia law. In there minds this is what Islam says - kill someone, cut there hands off etc.

Al-Shabaab most of the people are actually not Somali's - some of them are American, Talibans and come from foreign countries - terrorizing my land.

a bit of knowledge for you if you don't know Al-Shabaab

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Submitted by TPOS on 28 October, 2010 - 20:15

Nasra wrote:
well, this is bad,

But a little history on Somalia.

Al-Shabaab is actually one of three groups. They were one group first fighting against Ethiopia and the last president. They then were bought off by Ethiopia/America one by one,and they divided into 3 groups. One of the groups was the new president - and the other one is Hizbul Islam which kind of works together with Al-Shabaab.

So Al-Shabaab is saying we need to have a Islamic Sharia law. In there minds this is what Islam says - kill someone, cut there hands off etc.

Al-Shabaab most of the people are actually not Somali's - some of them are American, Talibans and come from foreign countries - terrorizing my land.

a bit of knowledge for you if you don't know Al-Shabaab


thanks Smile
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Submitted by You on 28 October, 2010 - 20:41

In the chaos of Somalia, some businessmen wanted peace so they could prosper and they funded an umbrella religious movement called the Union of Islamic Courts - they for the first time in 15 or so years brought peace to much of Somalia.

When the UIC was around, I dont think al-Shabab were all that big an element of it - it was a youth wing and minor in standing and had to abide by the rules of the UIC at that point.

However when the UIC managed bring control and pace to many parts of Somalia, the interim government align with Ethiopia with US backing decided to dislodge the UIC (it did have the word Islamic in it afterall...).

the leadership of the UIC here fled to Kenya or was arrested, but the shabaab continued to fight.

Eventually, the ethiopians got tired and America did not care, so the government and Ethiopia did a deal with the UIC to give them control of Somalia in 2009.

Except now, the UIC splintered into three groups - the leadership and affiliated groups, Hizbul Islam and al Shabab.

From these, the UIC and leadership were tainted by not fighting, and the leader of Hizbul Islam has a personal grudge against the new president of the interim Somalian government.

Hizbul Islam have a ceasefire agreement where they will keep the peace between them until they have control over the government - once they ahve that, the two groups can duke it out.

Hizbul Islam seem to from what I have read have more of a base in Somalia, but are badly organised.

al Shabab on the other hand are saudi financed, but have a strong military wing - klast year when the going got tough in the Afghan pakistan border areas and the Pakistan military carried out a few operations, the foriegners from there legged it and moved to Somalia and joined al Shabab.

al Shabab also has a problem with the fact that Somalia was traditionally sufi sunni, and they being more salafi oriented, so as they spread, a big part of their terror campaign was dersecrating graves of saints and also of the opposition (kind of how the taliban in pakistan would desecrate the graves to not allow their opposers bodies to remain burried).

even if these two manage to overthrow the governmetn, there will not be peace as them two will then duke it our for power.

On the other hand, since the government has managed to stay alive (by which I mean they have a few buildings in the capital and one port under the control of foriegn peacekeeprs loyal to them), the two groups may decide to duke it out, weakening them and allowing more tolerant people to take over in the power vacuum. But it rarely works like that.

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Submitted by TPOS on 28 October, 2010 - 20:48

thanks for the info, but what on earth do you mean by "duke it out" ?

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Submitted by You on 28 October, 2010 - 20:50

Two men enter, one man leaves.

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Submitted by You on 28 October, 2010 - 21:06

Joie de Vivre wrote:
"Would that report have been highlighted if they were not teenage girls?"

I just want to point out to you, although you edited this question from your post (NP with that), that your first reaction to this post of mine is defensive and illogical.

Its not as if the poll is altogether fair too - people can object to them, but not do it strongly - due to a variety of reasons from not knowing too much about them to not believing the bad news stories.

With the current set of options, there is no "I agree with al Shabaab", naturally making "I do not strongly object to al Shabaab" being the "negative" answer which can then be used in arguments where someone will use that as proof for their crimes being tolerated.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by Joie de Vivre on 28 October, 2010 - 23:27

Once you start with all the in-between options there is no result to a survey. People don't have to take part. "Not strongly objecting" covers everyone in the category you described.

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Submitted by LookingToSee on 29 October, 2010 - 00:06

i love revival for broadening my general knowledge. I had never heard of Shabaab before.

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Submitted by MuslimBro on 29 October, 2010 - 00:12

Lilly wrote:
i love revival for broadening my general knowledge. I had never heard of Shabaab before.

You never watch/read the news?
Submitted by LookingToSee on 29 October, 2010 - 00:45

MuslimBro wrote:
Lilly wrote:
i love revival for broadening my general knowledge. I had never heard of Shabaab before.

You never watch/read the news?

I love revival [minus MB] for broadening my general knowledge. I had never heard of Shabaab before

Also: the detailed post by You, dont think i would have found anything like it in the "news"

Also: i was referring to the conversation that resulted from the article.

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Submitted by Anonymous.... (not verified) on 9 December, 2010 - 01:14

Asalaam alaikum..... Can I ask what knowledge of the shariah law do you have and would anyone like to please share the rulings in shariah before anyone starts to insult it without any knowledge of it. Jk

Submitted by You on 9 December, 2010 - 18:00

Anonymous.... wrote:
Asalaam alaikum..... Can I ask what knowledge of the shariah law do you have and would anyone like to please share the rulings in shariah before anyone starts to insult it without any knowledge of it. Jk

Can you rephrase that more precisely? What exactly are you defending?

Most Muslims will have atleast some inkling to what shariah is.

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Submitted by Anonymous.... (not verified) on 10 December, 2010 - 00:01

Ok sorry brother that did not come out right. I wanted to know just how much people have knowledge of the shariah as some inbthis forum think that the cutting of the hands is not in shariah

Submitted by You on 10 December, 2010 - 17:44

Generally I think the shariah requires that a crime is proven before the punishment is carried out.

The Shariah generally does not generally allow you to dig up the graves of the people that you were not fans of either.

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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Submitted by Anonymous.... (not verified) on 10 December, 2010 - 23:45

I agree with you graves should not be dug up for whatever reason. However graves wich have been decorated the decoration can be destroyed as this is not allowed. Also again I agree with you should be proven guilty for a crime to get the punishment but how do know that they didn't have proof. Thses are articles written by god knows who how do know that this aynt a normal article in which the media day in and day out shows muslims as in humane and barberic when they are following the shariah the law of almighty Allah swt.

Submitted by Bilan on 11 December, 2010 - 01:09

Anonymous.... wrote:
I agree with you graves should not be dug up for whatever reason. However graves wich have been decorated the decoration can be destroyed as this is not allowed. Also again I agree with you should be proven guilty for a crime to get the punishment but how do know that they didn't have proof. Thses are articles written by god knows who how do know that this aynt a normal article in which the media day in and day out shows muslims as in humane and barberic when they are following the shariah the law of almighty Allah swt.

are u saying that the punishment if someone was accused of spying is death???? (this is a yes/no question by the way, cos i dnt knw for myself...)

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