Should Anon1 be banned?

You —

On the one hand, we get constant posting.

On the other, especially today, it has simply been a slagging match with the basic guist being:

Anon1 saying: "you are a civil servant being paid for your views!"
Me (You) Saying: "you are denying qur'an and sunnah and concealing the truth when you find it inconvenient"

and then we go around in circles with these points, going through many discussions turning them all to be a part of this.

We are approximately a month away from Ramadan and by then if this continues as it, it will be causing more bad deeds than good, ruining the purpose of this forum.

I can ignore her, but that does not mean others will and the fitnah will still continue. Besides, it snot always easy - the other day I came on with the good idea of creating a topic on the Mi'raj. Instead of focussing on that, I used most of my energies to refute the absurdities that Anon1 was posting.

So what does everyone think?

Should I exert more self control? Should anon 1 be stopped from posting? Any other thoughts on the subject of Anon1?

EDIT - the options are:

1. Ban Anon1,
2. Don't ban Anon1.
3. Ban ALL anonymous posters.
4. Ban me.
5. Dont ban anyone.
6 Ban me, Anon1 or all anon posters or some other combination of this.

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hmd — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 - 13:58

Arguments driven by a vitriolic hatred of other people's posts and views - and not for the sake of Allah.... hmmmmm

Remember that when you stand in front of him and each post you made will be enquired into...

You — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 - 14:01

[quote=hmd]Arguments driven by a vitriolic hatred of other people's posts and views - and not for the sake of Allah.... hmmmmm[/quote]

It may also be for the sake of Allah and it may have started due to religious reasons, but it would be disingenuous of me to pretend that I do not despise Anon1, in person, in actions and in views (so, no it is not just limited to the posts and views of Anon1 - "you are what you" do and this means her posts are her - just like mine are me - and any separation and pretence to being misunderstood etc is delusion).

I wont pretend that at some level is it not personal hatred of Anon1. Then again as long as both are pointing in the same direction...

I will not claim or pretend to be perfect and beyond defect. I just do and act on the abilities I am given in the flawed ways that I can.

[quote=hmd]Remember that when you stand in front of him and each post you made will be enquired into...[/quote]

Don't worry, I am aware. Are you?

Are you Anon1?

hmd — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 - 14:13

One should not brag about unIslamic behavior or think by admitting it one can continue with it.

One should repent sincerely that one has erred and fix the problem - not continue with it.

It is no justification if you think the other person has isues with intention - as the Prophet(saw) told one of the companions, can you read their heart?

You — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 - 14:16

I can read the words and I will base my judgement on them. I am not perfect and I will not claim perfection.

I do believe that my hatred of Anon1 was atleast initially and partially based on the content and mannerisms of her posts - denying qur'an and sunnah, jumping on people when they tried to do good or asked questions in an open manner, but to pretend that it is limited to that would be disingenious of me.

I personally despise (the late) Ariel Sharon and Tony Blair too. It may have also started off on moral/religious grounds, but is it just that now? I doubt it.

I am not bragging but admitting that I am not perfect - there is a big difference between the two. I accept the ahadith even if I am unable to action on them fully. It is not my way to reject the truth if it is inconvenient to me.

Atleast my posts and ideals were from Islamic concepts while Anon1 often seemed to start from the angle of scorn and anger and seemed to have the only aim of trying and show intellectual superiority.

I will not pretend to be perfect or play in a game to show how I am better than others.

Are you Anon1?

hmd — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 - 14:19

You should be careful when you make allegations of what your opponent's intentions are - you appear not to agree with the prophet's advice!

You — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 - 14:31

[quote=hmd]You should be careful when you make allegations of what your opponent's intentions are - you appear not to agree with the prophet's advice![/quote]

I accept the hadith. I am however a flawed individual that cannot always be perfect.
I also personally despise Ariel Sharon and Tony Blair too.

Besides, are you saying that we cannot judge you by your own words?

Do you accept the hadith?

I remember only yesterday Anon1 was talking about my intentions and agendas... would the hadith apply there too or is it too inconvenient in that case?

Are you Anon1?

Good thing I dont hold to the ideal of free speech - it allows me to censor voices...

The damage caused by the presence of Anon1 is that young people who have questions and concerns and want to discuss Islam are having to think twice before they post their questions and comments because they feel they will be personally attacked. This is forcing them to use alternative means that are more private and less likely to be invaded by Anon1.

All great except that they then ask me and I am not a scholar and I cannot give the answers that they need or deserve - if those same questions were asked on the forums, other more knowledgeable people would be able to post and correct me where I am wrong or offer alternative views.

The presence of Anon1 prevents all that because the people are hesitating to post due to anon1 jumping on them to show how they are intellectually inferior to her, using their posts as a platform to feel all superior instead of actually engaging with them in a relaxed environment.

hmd — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 - 15:15

So others do haram according to you justifies you doing haram... hmmmm....

Maybe, just maybe, on the day of judgement when they want your good deeds for your insults your above defence may pose problematic - to think you will get their good deeds in return may be difficult if they argue that they undertook political analysis to protect Muslims given their perception of your agenda and its similarity with that of the government.

A credible argument as political analysis is necessary in dawa/hisaabah and does not require certainties but probabilties according to many scholars...

You could potentially be stuck on that day...

You — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 - 15:23

Potentially, I could be stuck. I will leave the judgement in the hands of Allah (swt), because trying to preclude it would be disingenious.

So others do haram according to you justifies you doing haram... hmmmm....

No it doesn't.Two wrongs don't make a right. but I admit to being flawed and am not above mistake.

Wait, were you not arguing that you cannot see someones intentions? what is all this talk about agendas again? From there can I assume hypocrisy or can I not? I can't see what is in the soul, but I can see what is typed... quite the dilemma.

hmd — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 - 15:44

[quote=You]Wait, were you not arguing that you cannot see someones intentions? what is all this talk about agendas again? From there can I assume hypocrisy or can I not? I can't see what is in the soul, but I can see what is typed... quite the dilemma.[/quote]

Read carefully:

if they argue that they undertook political analysis to protect Muslims given their perception of your agenda and its similarity with that of the government.

Sajid Iqbal — Tue, 13 Jul 2010 - 17:28

to get back to the discussion

personally we shouldnt have non members, everyone who wants to be taken seriously should register

but since we allow non members then anon should not be banned

if anyone disagrees with her then discuss/debate or ignore her

simples!