Who was Imam Ali

So what..if the Prophet ﷺ praised Imam Ali as he did?

what does that prove?

[quote=s.b.f]So what..if the Prophet ﷺ praised Imam Ali as he did?

what does that prove?[/quote]

Allah praised the Prophet (pbuh). Are you goning to say so what, what does that prove.

Please think for yourself.

[quote=malik][quote=s.b.f]So what..if the Prophet ﷺ praised Imam Ali as he did?

what does that prove?[/quote]

Allah praised the Prophet (pbuh). Are you goning to say so what, what does that prove.

Please think for yourself.

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Do you Worship Imam Ali?

I am a Shia Muslim.

I worship the one who created Imam Ali and then
designated him as master of the Universe.
I dont follow those who name themselves as calpihs and imams. I follow the Divinely chosen 12 Imams.

since "the universe" presumably also includes the prophets, I do not buy your post.

No one has to buy my post. I am not selling Imam Ali.
Allah through his last Prophet has already presented Ali to the world.
Accept Ali or reject Ali. It is your choice.
It is not my Paradise that is on the line if you deny the status of Imam Ali. Each person can decide for themselves.

Universe does include all the prophets and messengers of God. There were 124,000 prophets and messengers sent by God to guide humanity. Except Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), all others stand below Ali.

Only the last Prophet is above Ali. Imam Ali is Master of all other prophets. Many hadith show this to be true. But the most famous hadith is this one:

[b]Prophet said "Ali is the Master of those who accept me as their Master."[/b]

Adam, Moses, Jesus, Abraham... took Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as their Master. Therefore Ali is also their Master.

It is not Shias who make Ali the leaders of past prophets. It is the final Messenger (pbuh) who designated Ali as leaders of all previous prophets: "If you take me as your master then you must take Ali as your master."

Ali leads 123,999 prophets and messengers, peace be upon them all.
That is Pure Islam as taught by Prophet.

That is who Imam Ali is: Master of the Universe.

Ya Ali Ya Ali.

Haq Haq Haq. Ali Ali Ali, Dam Ali Ali.

[quote=malik]No one has to buy my post. I am not selling Imam Ali.
Allah through his last Prophet has already presented Ali to the world.
Accept Ali or reject Ali. It is your choice.
It is not my Paradise that is on the line if you deny the status of Imam Ali. Each person can decide for themselves.

Universe does include all the prophets and messengers of God. There were 124,000 prophets and messengers sent by God to guide humanity. Except Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), all others stand below Ali.

Only the last Prophet is above Ali. Imam Ali is Master of all other prophets. Many hadith show this to be true. But the most famous hadith is this one:

[b]Prophet said "Ali is the Master of those who accept me as their Master."[/b]

Adam, Moses, Jesus, Abraham... took Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as their Master. Therefore Ali is also their Master.

It is not Shias who make Ali the leaders of past prophets. It is the final Messenger (pbuh) who designated Ali as leaders of all previous prophets: "If you take me as your master then you must take Ali as your master."

Ali leads 123,999 prophets and messengers, peace be upon them all.
That is Pure Islam as taught by Prophet.

That is who Imam Ali is: Master of the Universe.

Ya Ali Ya Ali.

Haq Haq Haq. Ali Ali Ali, Dam Ali Ali.

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This is my first message on the board. My english is not so well but i'll try my best to show off my view points to understand by all easily.

So, malik u said in ur last message

That is who Imam Ali is: Master of the Universe.

ALLAH is the MASTER of the whole world use your common sense. And all the human beings will be reponsible for all that they have done wrong in this world on the judgement. Fake believe is this that the Shia's of Ali will be saved from punishment. Understood?

[quote=_AK47_]

So, malik u said in ur last message

That is who Imam Ali is: Master of the Universe.

ALLAH is the MASTER of the whole world use your common sense. And all the human beings will be reponsible for all that they have done wrong in this world on the judgement. Fake believe is this that the Shia's of Ali will be saved from punishment. Understood?[/quote]

If I had made Imam Ali as Master of every person, then you would
be right. But it was not me who did this.
It was YOUR Prophet who decalred Ali as Master of all previous
Prophets before him, and Master of all people after him.

As for the Day of Judgement, again it was YOUR Prophet who had said that
it will be Ali who will judge and send people to Hell, or to Heaven.
Ali will be handing out the tickets. I did not say that. YOUR Prophet said all this.

I can why why people like you do not know these facts.
It is YOUR own Alim scholars who have been hiding the
real original Islam from you. They do not tell you the truth. They stop you from research.
Go and read YOUR own books to search. Find out who YOUR Masters are before it is too late.

You do not have to believe my words. But if you do not believe
YOUR Prophet, then you will be in serious trouble here and in the hereafter.

I accept and love every word of MY Prophet Muhammed (pbuh).
He said after me Ali is your Master.

Ya Ali Madaad!!

instead of all this bickering about all this... can we instead have this thread on something more productive?

maybe "My current favourite piece of trivia about Hadhrat Ali (ra)" and then educate each other about the things he actually did instead of meaningless hyperbole where most of who he was and what he did is forgotten to the rabble and argument?

You don't like him very much do you?

I didn't say that did I?

I am just sick of the hyperbole and grandstanding.

I want substance.

Post stories about his life, how he dealt with people etc. That is far more interesting that two sides arguing "no we love him more, no you love him wrong" etc etc.

[quote=malik]You don't like him very much do you?
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HOW RUDE!!!

Salaam

@ Malik, do all Shia believe Sayyiduna Ali is the master of the other Prophets AS? Or do some believe it and others don't?