I love you...yes YOU too ;)

Imagine an obnoxious brother whose a rite tit.
But u gotta lov him coz hes family. Its the same deal.

/raises eyebrow

no it isnt.

ur gna have grown up with ur brother, however obnoxious he is there are things u will like about him or even grow to like.

How does that apply to just anyone?

Someone's habits can annoy you a lot... but you can tolerate them either because you think the person is trying to be a good person, or by the "well, the person was created by God, so there must be some redeeming qualities".

In other words, dealing well and fairly with people who you despise for other reasons.

That is my understanding.

yeah thats what i meant like with the brother thing.

but that doesnt apply to random people who u barely know..

Ah man I'm gutted - the title of this forum topic is misleading 🙁

I thought we had a forum thread where we all get to sing our praises of You and pay homage to the dude - the only dude who brings us all the news courtesy of the BBC website and has a unique RaggedyRaggedyRaggedy edge too 🙂 I really thought it was a You fan clun

[quote=Saira]...who brings us all the news courtesy of the BBC website...[/quote]

😂

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]how on earth can someone LOVE someone else for Allah's sake?![/quote]
I like the philosophy ones. This depends how you see it. If God is really like some guy issuing whims for commands then it is a ridiculous proposition, we might as well let nature take it's course with us and not bother. But if you want to take inspiration, consider that God seriously transcends that, as a concept to you, constituting all the energy and mass and the will we experience consciously and passively, we can be inspired to overcome our first, sometimes animalistic, reactions, for the sake of our own future and that of others and future generations, and an ideal world, and that is for God's sake, something greater than our own desires. If we have a religious commitment we are joint ambassadors for our kith and kin, humanity and God, making the world a more spiritual place. When we make additional efforts to behave in a dignified manner Jews call that "kiddush Hashem", sanctification of our beliefs about God. (If we get into the nitty gritty of ulterior motives, of course, we will see some dovetailing, but that is often no problem.)

The other point you make is that love is not a choice, and I think that is an erroneous belief. Sometimes love is not a good choice or very promising, and sometimes as with any choice one has become habituated to a sense that it cannot be undone, and sometimes emotions are just that powerful, but it is still a choice and an individual's response to certain emotions, thoughts and environments. Examples of people who don't always see they are making a choice: Foster parents; Women who side with their abuser; Gays who find themselves incurably sensitive and effeminate; Perverts who stalk obsessively; Arranged newlyweds; everyone else.

[quote=Joie de Vivre][quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]how on earth can someone LOVE someone else for Allah's sake?![/quote]
I like the philosophy ones. This depends how you see it. If God is really like some guy issuing whims for commands then it is a ridiculous proposition, we might as well let nature take it's course with us and not bother. But if you want to take inspiration, consider that God seriously transcends that, as a concept to you, constituting all the energy and mass and the will we experience consciously and passively, we can be inspired to overcome our first, sometimes animalistic, reactions, for the sake of our own future and that of others and future generations, and an ideal world, and that is for God's sake, something greater than our own desires. If we have a religious commitment we are joint ambassadors for our kith and kin, humanity and God, making the world a more spiritual place. When we make additional efforts to behave in a dignified manner Jews call that "kiddush Hashem", sanctification of our beliefs about God. (If we get into the nitty gritty of ulterior motives, of course, we will see some dovetailing, but that is often no problem.)[/quote]

could you write this more simply please? :|

[quote=Joie de Vivre]The other point you make is that love is not a choice, and I think that is an erroneous belief. Sometimes love is not a good choice or very promising, and sometimes as with any choice one has become habituated to a sense that it cannot be undone, and sometimes emotions are just that powerful, but it is still a choice and an individual's response to certain emotions, thoughts and environments. Examples of people who don't always see they are making a choice: Foster parents; Women who side with their abuser; Gays who find themselves incurably sensitive and effeminate; Perverts who stalk obsessively; Arranged newlyweds; everyone else.[/quote]

:S i still think love is different and i will probably, embarrasingly, go back on my word later :/

isn't this mentioned in the Quran? (to love and hate for the sake of Allah)

love in this sense (i think) doesn't mean to be in love with the person but to like them (love is a strong word).

example:

someone disrespects the prophet ﷺ (potential disbelief, all aml wiped away), you will hate that person for what they have done even though they are your friend because the prophet ﷺ is Allah's beloved. so hating them for the sake of Allah.

you have a friend or you know someone, you don't like them but you will put up with them for the sake of Allah, because he/she is a Muslim.

make sense?

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE][quote=Joie de Vivre][quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]how on earth can someone LOVE someone else for Allah's sake?![/quote]
I like the philosophy ones. This depends how you see it. If God is really like some guy issuing whims for commands then it is a ridiculous proposition, we might as well let nature take it's course with us and not bother. But if you want to take inspiration, consider that God seriously transcends that, as a concept to you, constituting all the energy and mass and the will we experience consciously and passively, we can be inspired to overcome our first, sometimes animalistic, reactions, for the sake of our own future and that of others and future generations, and an ideal world, and that is for God's sake, something greater than our own desires. If we have a religious commitment we are joint ambassadors for our kith and kin, humanity and God, making the world a more spiritual place. When we make additional efforts to behave in a dignified manner Jews call that "kiddush Hashem", sanctification of our beliefs about God. (If we get into the nitty gritty of ulterior motives, of course, we will see some dovetailing, but that is often no problem.)[/quote]

could you write this more simply please? :|[/quote]

Grrr, I'm not sure. Take as your concept of Allah, all the energy or whatever mystical stuff it is that makes the universe work, and makes coincidences happen, and what causes our existence to take the form of a particular timespan in which we can do good. Completely depersonalise Allah. In that sense everything that you do for a good future you do in honour of that mystical force, sometimes overpowering your own emotions through your commitment.

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE][quote=Joie de Vivre]The other point you make is that love is not a choice, and I think that is an erroneous belief. Sometimes love is not a good choice or very promising, and sometimes as with any choice one has become habituated to a sense that it cannot be undone, and sometimes emotions are just that powerful, but it is still a choice and an individual's response to certain emotions, thoughts and environments. Examples of people who don't always see they are making a choice: Foster parents; Women who side with their abuser; Gays who find themselves incurably sensitive and effeminate; Perverts who stalk obsessively; Arranged newlyweds; everyone else.[/quote]

:S i still think love is different and i will probably, embarrasingly, go back on my word later :/[/quote]

So that's the other thing I'm saying. A love from commitment is in one way much stronger than a love from emotions, and in another way much more controlled. It is also possible for two people to commit to being together but not to make space for love, or for two people's love to come so naturally as to warrant commitment, which is of course the ideal, but when not every day is like that, beliefs on the subject become significant.

ooh i understand now! 🙂

[quote=Joie]Grrr, I'm not sure[/quote]
lol sorry im just not as intelligent as you...yet 😛

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]lol sorry im just not as intelligent as you...yet :P[/quote]
I can't accept that, sorry for being unclear first time round. 😃

u completely ignored me when i wrote in CAPITALS that i am not cleverer than you

how rude

:/

and i don't care what u say, i'll always think and KNOW it 😃

You're snowing me, I don't believe you are cleverer. There was a time when I would have said that and secretly entertained my doubts, but I'm for real.

[quote=Joie de Vivre]You're snowing me,[/quote]
i am what-ing u? :|

[quote=Joie de Vivre] I don't believe you are cleverer.[/quote]
thank you for admitting the truth 🙂

[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]
[quote=Joie de Vivre] I don't believe you are cleverer.[/quote]
thank you for admitting the truth 🙂
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Oops. Guess I haven't changed as much as all that, and well spotted. So what does that say?

🙂

[quote=Joie de Vivre][quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE]
[quote=Joie de Vivre] I don't believe you are cleverer.[/quote]
thank you for admitting the truth 🙂
[/quote]
Oops. Guess I haven't changed as much as all that, and well spotted. So what does that say?

🙂
[/quote]

i don't know? what does it say?

i think it says ur human cuz u made a mistake lol

or did u want me to think u actually think too much of urself? lol

I got told that loving someone for the sake of Allah(swt) is that they remind u of Him etc. Before tht it was also something I didnt rlly get

something about they meet and depart for the sake of Allah.

@Joey - I just re-read your first post, and actually understood it. 😃 I've grown up.