'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
A 63-year-old woman who imprisoned her three daughters-in-law, treating them as "slaves and dogs", has been jailed for seven years.
Naseebah Bibi would not let the women - also her nieces - leave the family home in Blackburn, Lancashire, without permission, Preston Crown Court heard.
One victim told police she had been forced to work on an industrial sewing machine day and night for 13 years.
The women had arranged marriages to Bibi's three sons, their first cousins.
Bibi, of Pringle Street, had denied falsely imprisoning Nagina Akhtar between 1993 and 2006, Tazeem Akhtar from 2001 to 2003 and Nisbah Akhtar between 2005 and 2007...
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Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
TPOS — Fri, 29 May 2009 - 18:45
Wow! :| 🙁
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
You — Fri, 29 May 2009 - 19:25
Read more and watch video @ BBC News
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Amal — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 12:12
This articles goes into more detail:
I cannot comprehend how human beings can sleep at night, knowing that they have mistreated and abused another person. Have they no conscience?
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Young Anonymou… — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 21:38
[quote=wednesday]
Do you think that this kind of stuff happens more frequent if the marriage is within the family or the outside family marriages? Or is it all down to the fitrah of the family?[/quote]
I would think it would be less if its in the family, because they'd already know the people, and they'd have some feelings for them. For this woman it was her own nieces, she must be totally EVIL!!!
What dyu mean 'fitrah of the family' ?
Fitrah means natural state, does it not?
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
You — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 22:40
yeah, nature.
Anyone is capable of evil IMO, question is if you allow yourself to do it or not, and for most, the mere thought of it is enough to put them off. For others, not so much.
As for how they sleep at night, it would be by either not thinking about it at all or through delusions - "I am actually giving that person a better life, enriching it, not making it worse. If I was not doing this, just think how much worse the person would have it. I am a good Samaritan. I should be applauded for my good nature"
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Young Anonymou… — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 22:50
[quote=You]yeah, nature.
Anyone is capable of evil IMO, question is if you allow yourself to do it or not, and for most, the mere thought of it is enough to put them off. For others, not so much.
As for how they sleep at night, it would be by either not thinking about it at all or through delusions - "I am actually giving that person a better life, enriching it, not making it worse. If I was not doing this, just think how much worse the person would have it. I am a good Samaritan. I should be applauded for my good nature"[/quote]
so if people were to live TOTALLY naturally they would be evil? I'm not getting this concept. Yes, we are capable of evil, but it is not in our nature to commit evil... i dunno.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
You — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 22:53
She suggested that it may be in their/her natural disposition to be evil.
I said no, but also that people are capable of great amounts of evil. Just like they are capable of great amounts of evil. And its easy to justify your place/position/reasoning.
Saying that, some people will puke and worse at the thought of being evil, but that is because of how they think, see the harm in it. Others can merely look the other way.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
You — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 22:58
No, not at all. If they are happy to be normal, its all good. Bit I think if pushed, people can be made to do exceptional things. both sides of the equilibrium.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Noor — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 22:59
this doesn't surprise me.
at least they are free now and iA they will have a better life.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
You — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 23:01
Listen to the interview in the third reply (there is a video in the link). They are still extremely traumatised. Not something that can be fixed with a wave of a wand.
I do wonder though where their husbands stand on all this - they were not mentioned in the reports. Were they also arrested? were they also considered victims? or something else?
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Noor — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 23:05
they were mentioned in the times article. one already had a wife from the uk. they definitely had a part to play in it all. they could have easily put an end to all this but chose not too.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Noor — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 23:10
they obviously don't know what marriage is about. they deserve shit.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Noor — Sat, 30 May 2009 - 23:19
the evil mother in law and the husbands.
do the women have any other family in the uk? the kids will most likely live with their mothers either here or back in pakistan. it will be hard for them if they have no other family here.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Amal — Sun, 31 May 2009 - 13:56
[quote=You]
As for how they sleep at night, it would be by either not thinking about it at all or through delusions - "I am actually giving that person a better life, enriching it, not making it worse. If I was not doing this, just think how much worse the person would have it. I am a good Samaritan. I should be applauded for my good nature"[/quote]
Its probably also a matter of thinking that you can get away with it. Some are able to absolve themselves of accountability for their actions due to their position. As a person of power and authority in her household, the lack of accountability meant that she felt and was able to abuse these women to the extent that she did. We don’t have a shortage of people, but a shortage of goldly people who recognise the position of God and their accountability to Him.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Ya'qub — Sun, 31 May 2009 - 15:09
Wait... I haven't read the story or any of the posts, but judging by the title is it something to do with Pakistan?
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
You — Sun, 31 May 2009 - 15:34
In a round about way since all the people mentioned were probably born there.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Noor — Sun, 31 May 2009 - 19:53
it's about pakistanis.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Hajjar — Sun, 31 May 2009 - 20:01
although this is shocking because of the physical beatings, i think it more common than many asians like to admit to. It's a taboo subject to speak about, many asians are in denial about this sort of thing going on in modern times but it does go on.
One of my mates had a quite liberal upbringing, but she married into a traditional family, with a mix of modern outlook too confusing? Well they parade themselves as loving the western lifestyle, yet behind closed doors they are actually very traditional. Nowt wrong with it, except they retain the bad aspects of tradition/culure.
So my friend found she is not allowed out of the house alone. Even when she had to visit midwife because she was pregnant for the very first time, her mother in law went with her, and even went into consultation room? I did tell her to speak up, but she doesn't feel like she can say no.
She can't go for a walk with her baby alone, corner shop, nothing. Mil says DIL should not go anywhere alone. This is the mentality from back home.
My sis had similar problems. more late gotta run
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
You — Sun, 31 May 2009 - 20:12
[quote=Hajjar]although this is shocking because of the physical beatings, i think it more common than many asians like to admit to. It's a taboo subject to speak about, many asians are in denial about this sort of thing going on in modern times but it does go on.[/quote]
Agreed.
[quote=Hajjar]...except they retain the bad aspects of tradition/culure...[/quote]
Heard of this before and it seems so backwards and stupid. If the family/spouse-to-be are not happy with how the person is, they should be upfront about it or move on to someone else they are happy with!
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Noor — Sun, 31 May 2009 - 20:13
thats pakis for you!
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
Amal — Mon, 1 Jun 2009 - 23:12
[quote=Hajjar]although this is shocking because of the physical beatings, i think it more common than many asians like to admit to. It's a taboo subject to speak about, many asians are in denial about this sort of thing going on in modern times but it does go on.
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[quote=You][quote=Hajjar]although this is shocking because of the physical beatings, i think it more common than many asians like to admit to. It's a taboo subject to speak about, many asians are in denial about this sort of thing going on in modern times but it does go on.[/quote]
Agreed.[/quote]
Abuse in the home is a sobering and depressing fact. But this exists in families up and down England, no matter what religion, ethnicity or other social group you may belong to. These abusers bend their religion or culture to accommodate for their evil conduct and crimes. It may be present in Pakistani circles, but I very much doubt that it is restricted or more prevalent in this community. There is a programme on BBC3 about mother-in-laws from Hell (not the most reliable source, but nevertheless, insightful!). It relates stories of women (not Pakistani) who suffer abuse at all levels from their mothers-in-laws. So why should I believe that there are more awful and abusive mothers-in-laws from Pakistani descent? We have no way of knowing this for certainty, and I think it would be wrong to think/believe/suggest it. This is also discriminatory.
The fact is that there is a sizeable Pakistani community in the UK, and therefore these sorts of abuses are more easily highlighted. I am certain that many other ethnic communities in the UK have similar problems, yet the figures are smaller in proportion to their population in the UK.
The fact that it was a Pakistani woman simply means that this community needs to clean up their act and their back yard. But it doesnt mean that it is due to her Pakistani descent or that it is more prevalent in this community.
This story also perfectly fits into the narrative that media constructs around Muslim women/Asian women (oppressed and subjucated, in need of rescue and freedom from the shackle that they find themselves in). Muslim women abused or forced into marriage, muslim women subjected to beatings etc. The media would have had an amazing field day if the abuser was a man. I am sure such abuses have occurred in other communities, yet has not been highlighted becuase they did not tick the "women" and "muslim" boxes.
Re: 'Slavery' mother-in-law is jailed
You — Mon, 1 Jun 2009 - 23:54
We do not know for certain, but when there is something that goes wrong, chances are it will be harder for asian women to come forward due to how things are set up differently in the home.