I haven't seen this yet but I've heard people talking about it. I get the impression this is similar to the "Shadows" stuff that was out a few years ago.

People talk about this as if is relevant to today because this is the time of Gog and Magog and the Imam Mahdi is already here and these are the End Times. I think it's unfortunate that people can so easily begin to think in apocalyptic terms. Things may very well be bad in the world today but things have been worse, and get worse still. No matter how bad things are they can always be worse.

I suspect The Arrivals takes alot of ideas from American far-right conspiracy theorists. I doubt that much of The Arrival's content derives from authentically Islamic and Muslim cultural sources.

Now to watch it... something to waste another weekend on.

Just seen a couple of parts and it seems to be random crap.

Since when has the number 13 been important? to Muslims? (the part I clicked on was counting the number of steps Madonna walked down...)

Waste of time. the people putting such stuff together probably had fun though.

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the people putting such stuff together probably had fun though.

That's the thing. They probably didn't have fun.

They must have felt proud that they were revealing the truth to the world and doing their religious duty.

People who have seen this absolutely believe it as if it's Gospel. And not crazy people. But people who are otherwise plugged into reality.

yeah if you jump to part 39 it also mentions the shia 12 imams as being the 'truth', most the stuff has just been put together from other sources and is misleading.. also there is bits with soft porn how can such a thing be put together with hadiths and quran verses

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yeah if you jump to part 39 it also mentions the shia 12 imams as being the 'truth', most the stuff has just been put together from other sources and is misleading.. also there is bits with soft porn how can such a thing be put together with hadiths and quran verses

Maybe there were just having fun after all...

Watching random bits of this documentary will give you the impression that it is all rubbish. And I agree that there are certain aspects of it that completely contradict Islam, especially in the way that it is presented. Also some of it is far fetched in terms of the ideas that it has put forward.

However the overall message that I took from it was the fact that we are contantly being distracted by the dunya and also how naive we can be. There is a higher agenda that is working to remove deen and monotheistic religions from the hearts of people and those that have got their eyes open don't necessarily need The Arrivals to see this. Nevertheless it can be a reminder for some and the current situation that we have been blessed to live in, reminders are something that we all need.

I would not take anything from the documentary, not even that.

It is not a good reminder because basically it is a lie.

Lies are not good ways to teach about morals and ethics.

Is all of it a lie?

If they called it a video, then that part would be true. But I would not use that video to define the definition of video as well, you will not know the boundaries between truth and lies.

So its all useless and mostly lies. I am saying mostly because there is a chance that something in there may tangentially link to some truth somewhere, but I would not consider that a feat of the video, but of the person watching.

I see your point and generally that's the principle, as lies can easily distort the truth.

I personally believe that before completely rejecting anything, there needs to be irrefutable evidence to do so. Muslims recognise that today's Bible is heavily fabricated and there are elements in there that hold no truth. Yet we are still taught that there is light in there and that a portion of that holy scriptue resonates with the teachings of the Quran and the Sunnah.

Truth can come from anywhere and I think all sources should be considered.

Allah (swt) knows best.

While we do recognise that there is some truth in the Bible, we also do not use it for guidance.

If it contains lies and may contain an iota of truth, it should not be used for guidance as you cannot separate the truth from the lie. That is, assuming that they actually have any truth at all in the documentary.

If they do, I would like a sample of where they tell the truth. whole and unabridged.

That's the beauty of guidance, it can come from wherever Allah (swt) Wills. Although we wouldn't take guidance from the Bible, we would undoubtedly be reminded of the truth.

Unfotunately I can't pinpoint the segments of the documentary where The Arrivals is demonstrating truthfulness and ultimately truth itself is dependent on interpretation. What I might say is true, you may say is false.

However even if we strip the documentary of all conspiracies, the words of Allah (swt) remain and the Sunnah of Sayyiduna Muhammad is evident. Although the producers of this documentary may have referenced the Quran and the Sunnah in lets say, not the best of places, Insh'Allah they will still receive reward for bringing people closer to the all important truth.

And Allah (swt) knows best.

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That's the beauty of guidance, it can come from wherever Allah (swt) Wills. Although we wouldn't take guidance from the Bible, we would undoubtedly be reminded of the truth.

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Unfotunately I can't pinpoint the segments of the documentary where The Arrivals is demonstrating truthfulness and ultimately truth itself is dependent on interpretation. What I might say is true, you may say is false.

Disagree totally, If there is a segment that is the truth, it will not be contradicted by others. otherwise its not the truth but a mere opinion.

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However even if we strip the documentary of all conspiracies, the words of Allah (swt) remain and the Sunnah of Sayyiduna Muhammad is evident. Although the producers of this documentary may have referenced the Quran and the Sunnah in lets say, not the best of places, Insh'Allah they will still receive reward for bringing people closer to the all important truth.

The Taliban also claim to be following the words of Allah (swt) and the prophet (saw), but they also hide bombs inside footballs which kill kids, and also open fire on other kids for playing outside instead of towing their line. Are they now right?

It is a disservice to Islam and Muslims to even pretend that that documentary is for good.

I apologise, I didn't express myself in the right way. What I meant was that for example, I might be presented with a theory such as the illuminati and some of the evidence provided for that theory I might believe is true. On the other hand, you may think that the same evidence is not solid enough. That's what I meant by interpretation in regards to the documentary.

However my point on the interpretation of the truth stands. The Quran is the unequivocal truth, without any doubt. People interpret it differently and it's unfortunate but the taliban and other groups interpret it in a way that does not do it justice.

Regardless of whether the documentary has done more good then bad, who are we to judge the intentions of the people who made it? If The Arrivals has a positive influence on any Muslim and reminds them of Allah (swt) then surely it's of some benefit.

And Allah (swt) knows best.

Does it matter if the illuminati exist or not?

fwiw, I think they are a joke that Muslims use to blame their own problems on others and use it as an excuse to not be up to accountability.

Maybe we are languishing because we are not up to standard ourselves?

(of course that goes against my other viewpoint of being sort of against betterment...)

I believe the exact same thing. As an Ummah we are constantly trying to avoid accountability and we haven't even got the capability to unite our own families, never mind communities and nations.

However I think the existence of the illuminati does matter because there are hidden agendas flying all over the place and although it may not affect the indiviual, it certainly affects a people.

Anyway I think we'll have to agree to disagree, but alhamdolillah it was a good debate.

I gota go, wa salaam.

Guys youtube videos have already been blocked by youtube. this series is available to view in HD quality at a new site.Must see:
www.arrivals.technocrazed.com

WHy is it "must see"? its a load of crap that buys into myth and superstition.

Still i think its worth seeing the conspiracy theories, who doesnt love em

It reminds me of "From the Shadows" which was very popular when I was younger. It had such lastng effects that people borrowed and shared the tapes in secret hush hush. This sounds like a revamped version.

ah yes, I remember that one. Must have been atleast ten years ago. (now that makes me feel old)

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ah yes, I remember that one. Must have been atleast ten years ago. (now that makes me feel old)

You mean it was before 9/11 ??

(which, at almost 8 years ago, makes me feel old too!)

Yes, before then. My guesstimate would be 1999/2000 when I heard it, but it had been around for a while before then too (and I may have heard it earlier).

Someone has put some time into debunking "The Arrivals": Thoughts on the “Arrivals” Video Series

LOL, i posted this too! Weird.

Anyway, the problem is that people aren't watching it from the FIRST episode. The reason why 'its rubbish' is because you have not had the build up to what you are watching. I think you should watch them all and then comment on it

Also about the 'Soft Porn' in other words: replays of music videos/adverts/films and so on - I find it highly disturbing how people have no problem watching these on a everyday basis but shun something that is aiming to provide us with a reality check and urge us to be grateful for the fact that we believe in God (Allah) as well as learn to appreciate His signs - nature etc.

Finally, I commend The WakeUp Project Team for taking time out of their lives to put something like this together, at least they're trying, many people don't have the time to do the most basic of acts (myself included).

(Sorry if I'm repeating anything that's already been said, I didn't have a chance to fully read everyone's comments)

I think it is too easy for people to fall into the trap of conspiracies.

A good reason to avoid pop music and videos is that they may be depicting and portraying amoral behaviour in highly attractive packaging.

But that is different from it being a part of some greater scheme by some descendants of the pharoahs to take over the world in their historic war against God and good.