Submitted by The Lamp on 23 February, 2009 - 10:12 #31
Plus, people (especially those who are seen as a burden) will be taken advantage of if we're too liberal with Euthanasia.
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“Before death takes away what you are given, give away whatever there is to give.”
Mawlana Jalal ud Din Rumi
Submitted by s.b.f on 23 February, 2009 - 18:42 #32
The Lamp wrote:
Plus, people (especially those who are seen as a burden) will be taken advantage of if we're too liberal with Euthanasia.
Well then there has to be some rules doesnt there?
We cant be lenient with something like euthanasia.
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Submitted by s.b.f on 24 February, 2009 - 17:41 #33
when you start to run out of patience or you see no point to keeping the person alive
is euthanasia a silly concept? or the people who decide to choose that path?
its not always the illness it self that makes people choose euthanasia. its the feeling of becoming a burden on others around or the feeling of fear of not being able to control yourself. I dont think its the same as becoming impatient or seeing no point in keeping the person alive. Its not others that choose euthanasia. its the person suffering themselves.
I think she meant it was a silly concept as in the majority of those cases the person would have died without medical intervention anyway.
And in the cases where they would have - is that euthanasia or suicide/murder?
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by s.b.f on 24 February, 2009 - 17:50 #35
You wrote:
I think she meant it was a silly concept as in the majority of those cases the person would have died without medical intervention anyway.
And in the cases where they would have - is that euthanasia or suicide/murder?
euthanasia.
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Submitted by Seraphim on 27 February, 2009 - 14:40 #36
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Submitted by Imaani on 27 February, 2009 - 16:15 #38
Oh my gosh just looked up what seppuku is (had never heard of it) and :shock: scary, scary stuff.
On the topic of Euthanasia I remember when doing it at school and being of the opinion that it is up to the individual, but now I've voted no - only Allah (swt) is the one that decides who should die and when.
Also on the topic, how do we know there won't be some miraculous cure found. And also what if the person changes their mind but isn't able to communicate so. And scarily what if the person is pressurised by those around them or feels a burden.
Watching someone you loved suffering would be extremely difficult but wouldn't that be a test, for you and them?
Switching off the machines for somebody brain dead though does not seem to be the same thing to me. Still a very scary and sad thought.
Submitted by Seraphim on 27 February, 2009 - 22:31 #39
If a persons beyond saving, shouldnt we just let nature take its course. And let them die. Rather than prolong their suffering with false hopes of a miracle cure.
Cures take decades before they're anywhere near ready for testing on humans.
In terms of Seppuku; sometimes its done because the person supposedly has shamed himself or dishonoured himself so they offer him a short sword to use. Or does Euthanasia just refer to the terminally ill.
If a persons beyond saving, shouldnt we just let nature take its course. And let them die. Rather than prolong their suffering with false hopes of a miracle cure.
But what if the persons motor functions will not work and the way the person will be killed is through starvation/dehydration til the body gives up its fight a week or two later?
As for death for non terminal reasons, that is classed as suicide. There be no honour in it (and the classical "Japanese honour system" seems a tad twisted).
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"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Plus, people (especially those who are seen as a burden) will be taken advantage of if we're too liberal with Euthanasia.
“Before death takes away what you are given, give away whatever there is to give.”
Mawlana Jalal ud Din Rumi
Well then there has to be some rules doesnt there?
We cant be lenient with something like euthanasia.
is euthanasia a silly concept? or the people who decide to choose that path?
its not always the illness it self that makes people choose euthanasia. its the feeling of becoming a burden on others around or the feeling of fear of not being able to control yourself. I dont think its the same as becoming impatient or seeing no point in keeping the person alive. Its not others that choose euthanasia. its the person suffering themselves.
I think she meant it was a silly concept as in the majority of those cases the person would have died without medical intervention anyway.
And in the cases where they would have - is that euthanasia or suicide/murder?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
euthanasia.
Is Seppuku a form of Euthanasia??
Back in BLACK
That's plain suicide I think.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Oh my gosh just looked up what seppuku is (had never heard of it) and :shock: scary, scary stuff.
On the topic of Euthanasia I remember when doing it at school and being of the opinion that it is up to the individual, but now I've voted no - only Allah (swt) is the one that decides who should die and when.
Also on the topic, how do we know there won't be some miraculous cure found. And also what if the person changes their mind but isn't able to communicate so. And scarily what if the person is pressurised by those around them or feels a burden.
Watching someone you loved suffering would be extremely difficult but wouldn't that be a test, for you and them?
Switching off the machines for somebody brain dead though does not seem to be the same thing to me. Still a very scary and sad thought.
If a persons beyond saving, shouldnt we just let nature take its course. And let them die. Rather than prolong their suffering with false hopes of a miracle cure.
Cures take decades before they're anywhere near ready for testing on humans.
In terms of Seppuku; sometimes its done because the person supposedly has shamed himself or dishonoured himself so they offer him a short sword to use. Or does Euthanasia just refer to the terminally ill.
Back in BLACK
its about physical pain/lack of motor functions.
But what if the persons motor functions will not work and the way the person will be killed is through starvation/dehydration til the body gives up its fight a week or two later?
As for death for non terminal reasons, that is classed as suicide. There be no honour in it (and the classical "Japanese honour system" seems a tad twisted).
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
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