Reject the opportunity and have life unfold by itself.

Then I feel like Im in control.

Knowing what may happen in ones life can be disastrous.

Better to let it unfold by itself.

Seraphim wrote:

PLUS IS THERE ANY SUCH THING AS FATE?...IN YOUR OPINION.

calm down silly.

My answer: I really dont know.

What's your opinion on it?

Seraphim wrote:

PLUS IS THERE ANY SUCH THING AS FATE?...IN YOUR OPINION.

Qadr?
Iv heard that word before.
what does that mean?

Salamu alaykum,

Predestination, see this link insha'allah:

http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=765&section=indepth...

There is a whole section on "Belief in the Divine Will and Decree" and it is part of iman to believe it.

http://www.islamqa.com/en/cat/227

Wasalam

This is going to sound daft, but do you death as the finish line in life, or the end of every goal that you make the finish line?

Of course there is fate.

Time is an illusion... or not quite illusion, but it is something that humans are bound by, whereas Allah (swt) exists outside time.

Since He created everything, the 'end' or 'finish line' or 'future' is already dealt with.

That doesn't mean we aren't responsible for our actions... but in a way, we've 'already' made all the decision in our life.

Hmmm... to explain this I'm going to need diagrams.

Allah KNOWS what you're going to do, but He hasn't fixed you to it HIMSELF.
I don't think anything is a REAL coincidence, everything happens for a reason.

Ya'qub wrote:

That doesn't mean we aren't responsible for our actions... but in a way, we've 'already' made all the decision in our life.

Hmmm... to explain this I'm going to need diagrams.

I there a fate Seraph? Kay sera sera and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it except do something not about it. (read that over until you understand it. Then meditate on it. Finally make a cup of tea BUT don't add the milk, instead add lemon juice and watch what happens )

So yeah, you have your own destiny which you have no idea about and should you wish to change it, you can only do it by changing yourself, if Allah (SWT) wills. If you only tried to change your destiny, it would not work (in my opinion). This is because the orchestrator of your destiny, you, has not changed the pattern of its orchestration.

Your God given ability to act is the orchestra, your deeds which are created are the music and the orchestrator is you. Now here's the crazy part. The orchestra is not seperate from the orchestrator and the music it makes informs the music it will make. So if there's a movement that the orchestra is going to play and you don't like it, its not sufficient to execute this desire 'not to play' through your control over the orchestra because they are you and you are them. The only sure way of making sure they do or do not play something is to change yourself so that the orchestra is necessarily impelled to change what they are playing too.

This is the maddest of mad skills. Imam Junayd RA said, if there was a more noble science than Tassawuf, I would crawl to it on my hands and knees.

Salam

Good topic, master.

Seraphim wrote:

If there was such a thing as fate or destiny. And through some random happen-stance you had the opportunity to know your future. What would happen, how your life will be like etc.

Would you:

a) like to know what the future has install for you?

or

b) Would you reject the opportunity and just have life unfold by itself.

and most importantly why?

PLUS IS THERE ANY SUCH THING AS FATE?...IN YOUR OPINION.

I am quite happy at things our Creator has decided them.

Yes, there is "fate", or destiny.

And, it is an event that God has written for everyone.

Fate is something that is going to happen in the future.

The only way that your destiny is altered
is when Al mighty decides to set a new one for you.

This Divine Act is known as Predistination.

Omrow

Omrow wrote:

Salam

Good topic, master.

Seraphim wrote:

If there was such a thing as fate or destiny. And through some random happen-stance you had the opportunity to know your future. What would happen, how your life will be like etc.

Would you:

a) like to know what the future has install for you?

or

b) Would you reject the opportunity and just have life unfold by itself.

and most importantly why?

PLUS IS THERE ANY SUCH THING AS FATE?...IN YOUR OPINION.

I am quite happy at things our Creator has decided them.

Yes, there is "fate", or destiny.

And, it is an event that God has written for everyone.

Fate is something that is going to happen in the future.

The only way that your destiny is altered
is when Al mighty decides to set a new one for you.

This Divine Act is known as Predistination.

Omrow

But how would Omrow respond to this question: "So if you're going to hell there's nothing you can do?"

I know the rest have an answer but I want Omrow to give me the answer this time.

No i would not like to know what the futures holds for me it could be really horrible or even if it wasnt i would just prefer not to know it!

Yes i believe in fate and i think this explains fate and destiny quite well :

Quote:

Taqdeer, Naseeb,‏
>> I've been a bit confused about a certain topic...
> >>
> >> Can you explain the concept of naseeb and Qadr? Lines such as "If it's in
> >> your naseeb, it'll happen, if it's not, then oh well TOO BAD" are often
> >> repeated. And you also hear people say that before we were born, our fate
> >> has been decided, either we're destined for jahanam or jannah... And it
> >> doesn't sound right to me because if our destiny is already decided, it
> >> wouldn't be our fault?
> >>
> >> jzk,

> Subject: Re: Question
>
> >
> >
> > assalamu alaikum
> >
> > what you are asking about is a very simple, basic and important thing
> > which Islam, unlike most other religions, have made so clear, but
> > subhanallah sooooo many Muslims do not understand it, or worse they
> > don't want to because pining everything on fate and destiny is much
> > easier than facing the consequences of our choices.
> >
> > OK now let me try to put it in the simplest ways:
> >
> > first: fate or predestined events has two types
> > One: events that you as a person have no control over what so
> > ever. i.e. natural disasters, certain illnesses, life and death,
> > marriage, sudden financial trouble etc...
> > this type of events are trials from Allah swt for one reason or the
> > other and as any other test we have the choice to fail it by kicking
> > and screaming or to try to score as high as possible by seeing who is
> > behind that test and trusting Allah wisdom and reward.
> > Two: events that you as a person have control over.i.e. making
> > the right choices in every situation (work, studies, friends, choosing
> > the right partner for your life, commitment to the values Allah taught
> > us in every aspect of our life, etc...). In these cases we have the
> > FREE will to do what we wish. wrong or right, Allah swt gave us the
> > ability of both. for example, there is no such thing as "well, if
> > Allah want me to be good, i will be!" or "if Allah want me to go to
> > college i will no matter what!" there is no doubt that if Allah want
> > something to happen it will, but that is not how Allah told us things
> > work. He swt said " you do your part first, every last bit of effort,
> > then rely on Him for the results''.
> >
> > Second: Islam is a positive religion that does not like for a person
> > to be lazy, or blame everything on fate and Shaytan, but in the same
> > time it provided a backup plan for when a person falls short in doing
> > his/her part. So, in order for a person not to fall into despair and
> > wallow in self pity after a failure, Rasulullah pbuh taught us that
> > you have to do two things:
> > first: learn from your mistake, and promise Allah that it will
> > not happen again inshallah.
> > second: then and only then, remind your self that all things
> > are in Allah's hand and if he allowed what had happened it is for a
> > reason and that He was able to spare you the trouble but He chose to
> > let you experience what could be a lesson for you.
> >
Most Muslims mistake two things together:
Allah's making the decision for you, and Allah knowing what your
decision is going to be.
there is a big difference between the two.
some people tell you, like you said, "it is written for you". that is
not true except in issues that you have no control over as i
previously mentioned. but for every other thing, what is written is
Allah's knowledge of YOUR decision. since you know that for Allah swt
there is no past present or future. Allah's knowledge is encompassing,
not limited by time or place. Allah swt knows what OUR CHOICES are
going to be and that is what is written. So when you are tried with a
certain choice (i.e should i tell the truth or lie to get out of
trouble?)
Allah swt knows what your choice is going to be and his knowledge is
never wrong and YOUR choice is what he wrote, but he did not make the
decision for you.
> >
I always give people a simple example to explain the whole concept :
If you have a friend that never keeps a secret and you told her
something (as a secret), and because you know her very well you bet
another friend and that she will hear it soon (from the first). when
what you had expected happens,and your entrusted friend tells your
secret ask your self "did your knowledge of her inability to keep a
secret, in anyway, affected her decision to tell?" of course not. she,
on her own, decided to tell knowing that she was entrusted.
About the same thing applies to us. Allah swt KNOWS what our choices
are going to be and that is the only thing that is written. (again
remember that this is apply to anything and everything that we have
any saying in and not things completely from Allah and out of our
control),

I would like to disagree, but I won't. because that would take me off on a tangent.

But I would like to ask a question - why does everything need to have a meaning or purpose? Can't somethings just be?

Everything - matter or action - could very well have a purpose but what if the purpose is just to be?

Do people have roles to play that they must play or is it more free form where people have some semblance of choice in their life and not everything is pushing them towards some important phantasmagorical event? (other than death I mean)

When we are doing something then we are given two options, the good and the bad. It is up to US and only us which path we take (if Allah (SWT) had decided and done everything for us then He (SWT) wouldnt judge us nor punish us for bad deeds or reward us for good deeds as it wouldnt have been due to us).

Allah (SWT) however does know what we will do in every situation, he knows but that doesnt mean he has decided our fate for us, it is up to ourselves to make our fate and not be lazy and think, Allah (SWT) has decided our fate so why bother doing anything!

This is a tough one to explain, I know what I am thinking but I cant put it properly in words.

Salam

Another good question:

The Lamp wrote:

But how would Omrow respond to this question:

"So if you're going to hell there's nothing you can do?"

I know the rest have an answer but I want Omrow to give me the answer this time.

Yes maam.

Q: "So if you're going to hell there's nothing you can do?"

A: No.

Not doing anything takes you to Heaven.

It is DOING something, which takes you to Hell.

Also, as I said in my previous post, God can decides
to set a new "final destination" for you - Paradise.

All you have to do is to "bribe" Him with something that He accepts.

For beautiful people, the Almighty has been known to change His Beautiful Mind.

There is a price for everything, even for getting out of that Hot Jail.

Omrow

i've always thought it was composury to believe in destiny?
because i was thought these imam-ul islam sita or something liek that and it said you have to believe in destiny

sita is 6 in arabic by the way

proud_hijabi* wrote:

i've always thought it was composury to believe in destiny?

in "predestination", which is similar to destiny not the same.

You wrote:

proud_hijabi* wrote:

i've always thought it was composury to believe in destiny?

in "predestination", which is similar to destiny not the same.

A very interesting topic, however a lot of people get misunderstood or confused on these aspects.

What i find really confusing and cant find any logic to is the lines on your hand i know its haram to go to fortune tellers and indulge on palmistry and pychics etc but i was reading an article where a man was reading hands of famous people a while back and there was one with Benazir bhutto's hand and the man had said that she would have an accidental death etc etc

I know a lot of its guessing and wrong work, but my question is why do hand lines exist difand differ to each other what is the purpose of these and how can the traits on the lines explain part of your life etc

anila786 wrote:

...reading hands of famous people a while back and there was one with Benazir bhutto's hand and the man had said that she would have an accidental death etc etc...

Was he right? was her murder "an accidental death"?

I would always assume that there is a lot of it is vague "night will follow day" type stuff?

I remember this was one of the questions in the q&a on the revival show in ramadan second session.. the shaykh explained it well.. did anyone (admins) manage to put up the audio?? any links?

thanks

anila786 wrote:

A very interesting topic, however a lot of people get misunderstood or confused on these aspects.

What i find really confusing and cant find any logic to is the lines on your hand i know its haram to go to fortune tellers and indulge on palmistry and pychics etc but i was reading an article where a man was reading hands of famous people a while back and there was one with Benazir bhutto's hand and the man had said that she would have an accidental death etc etc

I know a lot of its guessing and wrong work, but my question is why do hand lines exist difand differ to each other what is the purpose of these and how can the traits on the lines explain part of your life etc

i always thoughtthe lines on your hand were a sign of the existence of Allah because if you put your hands together thats what it spells, dont know if i'm right though