Sacrifice

It would depends what you get in return. Most things have a price - which may change from situation to situation, person to person.

[quote=You]It would depends what you get in return. Most things have a price - which may change from situation to situation, person to person.[/quote]

I dunno what did Prophet Abraham (as) get?
Not that either one of us are prophets, but i imagine we'd simply get to live in the knowledge that we gave something up for the sake of Allah (swt).

[quote=Seraphim][quote=You]It would depends what you get in return. Most things have a price - which may change from situation to situation, person to person.[/quote]

I dunno what did Prophet Abraham (as) get?
Not that either one of us are prophets, but i imagine we'd simply get to live in the knowledge that we gave something up for the sake of Allah (swt). [/quote]

And would that not be enough? The feeling that we gave up something very precious for the sake of Allah swt? Would you not feel closer to Him?
Its not like I can speak or anything. Im just trying to imagine the situation on me. I dont know what I would do unless I'm in the situation to be honest.

[quote=My name ][quote=Seraphim][quote=You]It would depends what you get in return. Most things have a price - which may change from situation to situation, person to person.[/quote]

I dunno what did Prophet Abraham (as) get?
Not that either one of us are prophets, but i imagine we'd simply get to live in the knowledge that we gave something up for the sake of Allah (swt). [/quote]

And would that not be enough? The feeling that we gave up something very precious for the sake of Allah swt? Would you not feel closer to Him?
Its not like I can speak or anything. Im just trying to imagine the situation on me. I dont know what I would do unless I'm in the situation to be honest. [/quote]

Thats just it. Im not sure i could. Does that make me a bad person?
Or just mortal (ew).

[quote=Seraphim]

Thats just it. Im not sure i could. Does that make me a bad person?
Or just mortal (ew).[/quote]

Okay. Well. Im just thinking. Allah swt know that we have our weaknesses. I personally dont think that it makes you a bad person. There are lots of reasons not to sacrifice. And it does completely depend on the situation.
Mortal. Human. Allah swt gave us feelings too. We just have to be wise and use our brains.
What about asking Allah swt for advice and guidance? and then using your gut feeling to help you decide whether the sacrifice is worth it?

[quote=My name ][quote=Seraphim][quote=You]It would depends what you get in return. Most things have a price - which may change from situation to situation, person to person.[/quote]

I dunno what did Prophet Abraham (as) get?
Not that either one of us are prophets, but i imagine we'd simply get to live in the knowledge that we gave something up for the sake of Allah (swt). [/quote]

And would that not be enough? The feeling that we gave up something very precious for the sake of Allah swt? Would you not feel closer to Him?
Its not like I can speak or anything. Im just trying to imagine the situation on me. I dont know what I would do unless I'm in the situation to be honest. [/quote]

Iv not really thought about this question before. Wouldn't sacrificing something for the sake of Allah swt make you a better person within? Wouldn't it change a person for the better?

[quote=SBF][quote=My name ][quote=Seraphim][quote=You]It would depends what you get in return. Most things have a price - which may change from situation to situation, person to person.[/quote]

I dunno what did Prophet Abraham (as) get?
Not that either one of us are prophets, but i imagine we'd simply get to live in the knowledge that we gave something up for the sake of Allah (swt). [/quote]

And would that not be enough? The feeling that we gave up something very precious for the sake of Allah swt? Would you not feel closer to Him?
Its not like I can speak or anything. Im just trying to imagine the situation on me. I dont know what I would do unless I'm in the situation to be honest. [/quote]

Iv not really thought about this question before. Wouldn't sacrificing something for the sake of Allah swt make you a better person within? Wouldn't it change a person for the better? [/quote]

Thats the theory.

Allah (swt) created the Angels to be perfect. But didnt he create humans to be better?? We would exceed the Angels.

I think in such a situation, your head has to over-rule your feelings and just do it.

As far as I know, Allah won't ask you to sacrifice something (for real) unless He thinks you can deal with it or if it will be beneficial in the long run.

[quote=The Lamp]As far as I know, Allah won't ask you to sacrifice something (for real) unless He thinks you can deal with it or if it will be beneficial in the long run.[/quote]

Lol, dont worry im not gonna take it as a literal test (much like the prophet Abraham (as)) so i wont be taking a knife to anyone 😂

But yeah we may have to give up or sacrifice certain things... no matter how important they are to you.

Why do you think you have to sacrifice? Is it something for good or something for a short time with some gain later on?

It's all about pricing.

and doing something "for the sake of Allah (swt)" with no physical benefits, results to show for it is probably very hard indeed and if the cost is high, people may not want to.

Its just like fasting. Not everyone does it all through the month of Ramadan - even though it can make you feel good.

When Hadhrat Uthman Ghani Bought a well in Madinah and donated it to the community, they did not just say "this is feesabilillah". Rather he made a sale to the Prophet ﷺ asking for something in relation to the Spring of Kawsar on judgement day (can't remember what exactly).

So was that act feesabilillah or for self gain?

[quote=wednesday]Question: Would you or Can you swap yourself or something that only benefits YOU in place of that precious someone or something? [/quote]

hmmmm, it would be interestn to find out i.e. "Oh Lord, swap all my happiness for such a such persons sadness, for i will gladly take it."

But i dont think it works that way, no matter how much we may want to.

Why does there need to be an "exchange"?

Such things happen when the resources are finite.

[quote=wednesday]Sorry Me no understood you. :?[/quote]

I think he's saying why not just pray for them to have happiness of their own, rather there being an exchange: yours for theirs.

Its a valid point.

If i had to guess; since every1 has a different number of good&bad moments in their life, perhaps yours a worth more or something??

[quote=wednesday]I wasn't talkling about swapping happiness. There might be things that the other person may handle better than myself and vice versa?[/quote]

Like that film, Strangers on a Train?

But, no. That would be cheating. God puts on our shoulders what He wants us to deal with.

I ain't gonna argue with Him. That would be an argument even I couldn't win (and by 'win', I mean become hopelessly pedantic til the other party gives up/in)

[quote=wednesday]Who said anything about arguing? All you have to do is ASK (politely)

and if it's a no then it's a no. [/quote]

How do you know its a no?

I read a fable about this once. May have been from a post by Ya'qub. Can;t remember it exactly but its on the following lines:

There was a rich businessman who had a slob of a brother who he felt did not appreciate him. He prayed that they could exchange places for a day so that his brother would appreciate his hard work.

One day, the wish was granted. He woke up in his Slob brother's shoes. He had no money so lazed for the morning, then went job centre, got treated like crap and when he went shopping he had no money for things he wanted to buy.

That night he said he would never hold his brothers ways against him as he now knew that his brother went through hardship too.

Next day, when he went to work, he had been fired for turning up late, doing no work and making sexually provocative remarks to the secretary.

It's not an example - just something that I found amusing.

[quote=You]

So was that act feesabilillah or for self gain?[/quote]

Confused.

I would've thought acting for the sake of God always WAS/is for self gain.

Prossibly indirectly.

But even above, i think it was Fizzle who said "wouldn't doing this for God make you a better person?" Well that's self gain isn't it?

So is it Feesabillah?
Is it a combination of the two?

Do i have the completely wrong idea? (most likely option.)

[quote=Ya'qub][quote=wednesday]I wasn't talkling about swapping happiness. There might be things that the other person may handle better than myself and vice versa?[/quote]

Like that film, Strangers on a Train?

But, no. That would be cheating. God puts on our shoulders what He wants us to deal with.

I ain't gonna argue with Him. That would be an argument even I couldn't win (and by 'win', I mean become hopelessly pedantic til the other party gives up/in)[/quote]

Wow.
That explains SO much.

(Blud. 😉 )

[quote=You]I read a fable about this once. May have been from a post by Ya'qub. Can;t remember it exactly but its on the following lines:

There was a rich businessman who had a slob of a brother who he felt did not appreciate him. He prayed that they could exchange places for a day so that his brother would appreciate his hard work.

One day, the wish was granted. He woke up in his Slob brother's shoes. He had no money so lazed for the morning, then went job centre, got treated like crap and when he went shopping he had no money for things he wanted to buy.

That night he said he would never hold his brothers ways against him as he now knew that his brother went through hardship too.

Next day, when he went to work, he had been fired for turning up late, doing no work and making sexually provocative remarks to the secretary.[/quote]

LOL! Be grateful for what you have, one little thing can change so much.

There is no such thing as a sacrifice?

Being selfless is a waste of time?

Always look out for your self first?

It is possible to be selfless - but IMO its a waste of time effort and ultimately futile.

You can do many things that are selfless and with no aim at being rewarded physically, emotionally or even in the hereafter, but you may be in either of those ways.

But having a personal reason for it - any reason - can make sure that you do not end up resenting you doing such things in the longer term.

[quote=You]It is possible to be selfless - but IMO its a waste of time effort and ultimately futile.

You can do many things that are selfless and with no aim at being rewarded physically, emotionally or even in the hereafter, but you may be in either of those ways.

But having a personal reason for it - any reason - can make sure that you do not end up resenting you doing such things in the longer term.[/quote]

Not true.

I can think of a selfless sacrifice.

Go ahead.

and how does that make what I said untrue?

[quote=You]Go ahead.

and how does that make what I said untrue?[/quote]

Lets say someone gives up their own happiness for the sake of someone elses happiness. Why? maybe bcoz theyre crazy or value the other persons happiness than their own.. who knows. But how is that a waste of time and effort?

Why can you just do nice things, without there being a purpose behind it. Without thinking of any reward.

Intentions count in your actions. And if you expect the blessings of God, be kind to His people.

[quote=Seraphim]

Intentions count in your actions. And if you expect the blessings of God, be kind to His people. [/quote]

well said.

[quote=Seraphim][quote=You]Go ahead.

and how does that make what I said untrue?[/quote]

Lets say someone gives up their own happiness for the sake of someone elses happiness. Why? maybe bcoz theyre crazy or value the other persons happiness than their own.. who knows. But how is that a waste of time and effort?[/quote]

But they are making a sale where they value the other person's happiness above their own. That decision there has an aspect of selfishness to it.

[quote=You][quote=Seraphim][quote=You]Go ahead.

and how does that make what I said untrue?[/quote]

Lets say someone gives up their own happiness for the sake of someone elses happiness. Why? maybe bcoz theyre crazy or value the other persons happiness than their own.. who knows. But how is that a waste of time and effort?[/quote]

But they are making a sale where they value the other person's happiness above their own. That decision there has an aspect of selfishness to it.
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If person A is being selfish like you say, what is he getting in return?

Depends on the circumstance. If it is about marriage, then would you really want to marry someone who is thinking of someone else?

If it is listening to parents, is the cost of not listening actually low enough for you to accept? In 2007 I went to Umrah (and mostly enjoyed it greatly), mainly because in my estimation if I said no, I would not be able live it down for over a year - at which point I would have to go anyway.

But that's not selfish in the main sense is it?