The true sufi

What do you guys think?

I think it would confuse the women.

are you sufi? if u dont mind me asking

@ sumaiya: i can only dream of being one.

You can live it, you can know it but you cannot define a Sufi - Persian Dictionary

@funzo :translation?

[quote=Sumaiya]@funzo :translation?[/quote]
translation of what?

sorry to be old fashioned, but i dont speak spirituallish, you can only dream of being one?

[quote=Sumaiya]sorry to be old fashioned, but i dont speak spirituallish, you can only dream of being one?[/quote]
its hard to explain, well basically being a sufi isnt being part of a group or jamah etc but rather its being at a certain spirtual level, having peace at heart and peace of mind being in touch with god and with oneself and having control of your nafs.

[quote=Funzo]
its hard to explain, well basically being a sufi isnt being part of a group or jamah etc but rather its being at a certain spirtual level, having peace at heart and peace of mind being in touch with god and with oneself and having control of your nafs.[/quote]

Couldn't you just replace the word 'sufi' with '(very) good Muslim' in that sentence? I'm not being argumentative, I'm just genuinely interested.

What is the difference between being a Very Good Muslim and being a Sufi?

Is a Sufi ALWAYS a Very Good Muslim, and/or is a Very Good Muslim ALWAYS a Sufi?

Do you have to do anything in particular that is different from mainstream Islam to be a Sufi?

Is Sufism JUST about the inner self, and if so how come every Sufi wears a special type of turban (depending on whichever order they are affiliated to)? Is this assumption naive and incorrect (if so I would need evidence of a well-known Sufi order who don't have a hierachy of turbans)?

Could that uncle who I sat next to me in the Masjid be a Sufi and I would never have known? Or would I see something special in his eyes/face that would have told me?

I think there is a lot of negative views of Sufism amongst many Muslims. This could well be because not much is known about them/it. If this is true, then having very oblique/insubstantial definitions of them/it in dictionaries is perhaps not the best of ideas.

Just a few thoughts...

ive heard that sufis chant a lot.

great poem by the way, mashallah. wish i could write like that

[quote=Sumaiya]ive heard that sufis chant a lot.[/quote]
and spin in circles all day and night non stop? :roll:

well yeah,do you?

[quote=Sumaiya]great poem by the way, mashallah. wish i could write like that[/quote]
Rumi (r.a) did some fantastic poetry.

is he a sufi too?

yes early 12th century

so do you chant?

[quote=Sumaiya]well yeah,do you?[/quote]
you do realise i was joking right?

yeah, but ive heard and seen that before, or do you have sects within sufism that practise different methods of worship?

what do you mean when you say "you"? im not a sufi i wouldnt know thats why i didnt even attempt to answer yaqubs questions it would naive and ignorant of me to do so, and in sufism there is different groups with different practises, the dancing is justified by the hadith when the etheopians went to the prophet ﷺ and started spinning in circles praising the prophet(saw) due to them being in wajd, but since its difficult to judge whether a person is or is not in wajd it is difficult to criticise the people who spin around.

[quote=Ya'qub]What is the difference between being a Very Good Muslim and being a Sufi?[/quote]

theres no difference.

[quote]Do you have to do anything in particular that is different from mainstream Islam to be a Sufi?[/quote]

nope. sufism/spirituality is a private matter between the person and their Lord. no one else. only Allah swt knows our level of imaan.

[quote]Is Sufism JUST about the inner self, and if so how come every Sufi wears a special type of turban (depending on whichever order they are affiliated to)? Is this assumption naive and incorrect (if so I would need evidence of a well-known Sufi order who don't have a hierachy of turbans)?[/quote]

not true. a sufi is someone who has conquered his nafs. just became a certain order has the name sufi/tasawwuf in it does not mean they are sufi.

[quote]Could that uncle who I sat next to me in the Masjid be a Sufi and I would never have known?[/quote]

yes.

[quote=Funzo]what do you mean when you say "you"? im not a sufi [/quote]

whats is sufism in relation to you then?

why do you want to know?

just curious, for a person who not a sufi, it pretty unusual for him to be displaying a poem based on sufism.

why? i admire sufism. People who arent premier league footballers display admiration premier league footballers is that strange?

true, but if u admire it so much, why arnt u one? (trust a guy to relate it to football)

[quote=Sumaiya]true, but if u admire it so much, why arnt u one? (trust a guy to relate it to football)[/quote]
i thought i explained it to you i could only dream of being one.

but why not make that dream reality?

its easier said than done.