Standard of Living

MuslimSister

Salaams,

I bumped into an old school friend of mine in an Islamic programme last night. I dunno how we came onto this topic but we began to talk about standard of living...my friends kinda well off. Lives in a massive 5 bedroom house, well decorated, family has about 4 flashy cars for a family of 5, goes on holiday every few months, wears designer clothes regularly....and she said to me, 'to live in a standard below my own would be unthinkable'.

I found that surprising, esp since I couldnt help but think. Its her dad who must be earning between 70-80k a year. She just works part time on mimimum wage...

It did make me think though. If your used to a certain standard of living, would it be possible for you to live below what you're used to?

If your used to driving your own car. Could you survive without a car?
If your used to living in a three bedroom house, could you live in a two bedroom flat?
Could you live without the internet?
Could you live without your mobile phone?
Could you live without your takeaways, nice clothes etc?
Could you live without sky/cable TV?

How much below your 'standard of living' would you be willing to go?

Wasalaam

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MuslimBro — Thu, 3 Jan 2008 - 22:49

True.

It happened to us twice, and it was bad but we lived with that for a few weeks. I feel weird saying this, but I like it when something goes wrong and you experience how others are living/feeling around the world.

However, there's nothing refreshing than doing wudu with cold water (esp. for fajr).

Imaani — Thu, 3 Jan 2008 - 23:13

Cold water is one thing I really, really cannot stand. :x I just find it so, so difficult to bare.

I think I could quite easily give up a few material luxuries. I haven't had a car for a few months now, because of lack of car park space actually, and you just manage and get on with it. Lack of TV, internet, phone etc if it came to it I could live without. Sometimes it's not about choice though, sometimes you simply have to do without and we should all be able to hack that.

I think with most things sacrifices are kind of worth it or at least most times you gain something even if it isn't material, which can mean more.

If it's a case of lack of money then there are always ways round essentials, like better money management etc. And the luxuries are just that - luxuries.

Noor — Thu, 3 Jan 2008 - 23:21

I can pretty much live in any condition, as long as I’m happy I aint fussed. I’ll moan but I’ll soon get over it. Our luxuries can we taken away from us just like that.

Sirus — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 00:01

[quote="Noor"]I can pretty much live in any condition, as long as I’m happy I aint fussed. I’ll moan but I’ll soon get over it. Our luxuries can we taken away from us just like that.[/quote]

could you live without the internet/this forum?

Noor — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 00:23

Lol. I'm on the net/Revival cz all my assignments need research which involves a lot of googling and i generally do a lot of stuff on the net. If my mum turn around and said to me tomorrow, you can go and study in Syria, i would drop everything and go. I wouldn't even think about where i would be staying or in what condition.

Funzo — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 00:26

What if it was on the floor barely have running cold water and the only electricity available was the on in your lamp?

idi — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 00:27

[quote="Noor"]Lol. I'm on the net/Revival cz all my assignments need research which involves a lot of googling and i generally do a lot of stuff on the net[/quote]

same ere.i only come on when am doin ma work on internet o something

Noor — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 00:34

[quote="Irfan.khan"]What if it was on the floor barely have running cold water and the only electricity available was the on in your lamp?[/quote]

And now in English please.

idi — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 00:38

[quote="Irfan.khan"]Please can you make your sentence a bit more formal please.[/quote]

dependz, if your the only 1 asking then no, if any1 else agree's with you then a will

Ya'qub — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 01:37

[quote="Imaani"]Cold water is one thing I really, really cannot stand. :x I just find it so, so difficult to bare.
[/quote]

My friend was telling me that when he was in school in Indonesia, every mornign they had to go to the bottom of the hill to make wudhu in the ICE cold stream, and then carry up buckets of water for the older kids to do it!

I heard a story once of a sufi sheikh who once delayed his wudhu while the water was heating up on the stove. Afterwards, he realised that he was delaying salah just to be more comfortable, so to punish/discipline himself he lay in a bath of iced water for a few hours. mashAllah. Since reading that I've always tried to make wudhu at fajr without waiting for the water from the tap to get warm in a mini-homage to the sheikh!

[quote="Noor"] If my mum turn around and said to me tomorrow, you can go and study in Syria, i would drop everything and go. I wouldn't even think about where i would be staying or in what condition.[/quote]

I stayed in student accommodation in Damascus and the conditions weren't too bad. the toilet was a hole in the ground (but on the 2nd floor for some reason), it didn't have a flush so the guys needed to hose it down properly once a day (more often during summer).

I'm too posh so I just went into a posh restaurant in the centre of town (£5 for a FAT 3-course-meal) to use the flushing toilet there!

I think there IS better accommodation, but these guys were on a real budget.

Naz — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 10:12

[quote="Imaani"]Cold water is one thing I really, really cannot stand. :x I just find it so, so difficult to bare.

[/quote]

ditto

even when its really hot i cant still bring myself to have cold shower. Its just too cold.

MuslimSister — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 17:21

I think only once we were without hot water for for a few days - I was in high school then and going out without washed hair was not an option.

I still remember how 'tough' those days were - lol :oops:

I can live without a lot of things but not hot water - even in the summer, my showers are steaming hot.

Beast — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 17:31

In Pakistan during the summer people turn off the hot water and only have cold water.

When I asked for the warm water to be switched on so I could have a shower I was laughed at.

But then I realised it makes sense. You can't have warm shower and walk out into Pakistani heat. You'd probably become really dehydrated. Or something like that.

MuslimSister — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 17:46

They prob laughed at you cos to get hot water they have to turn the 'tanki' on all night.

At least thats what they told me.

You should really walk out after having a shower anyway - hot or cold one.

Noor — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 17:49

last ramadan our heating system went bust so we had cold water for the whole month.

Naz — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 19:49

[quote="Beast"]

But then I realised it makes sense. You can't have warm shower and walk out into Pakistani heat. You'd probably become really dehydrated. Or something like that.[/quote]

Been there, done it, got the t-shirt 😃

yashmaki — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 22:24

assalamua alaikum,

someone mentioned something about how in judaism you're encouraged to marry someone on the same wealth as you? Well its the same in islam, i mean not just in terms of wealth, but also other background factors. i mean if a woman is used to having domestic help and she marries a man who cant afford to pay for maids and other domestic hands then its gona cause problems in the marriage.

anyways aside from that, without trying to knock my husband coz its not his fault hes providing to the best of his abilities and im not asking for more of him, but since i got married my living standards have dropped. i was accustomed to a 6 bed house with 2 lounges, a study, dining area, large back garden, and the freedom of 3 bathrooms. On getting married i moved into a 2 bed house which i don't mind but it was a boxed two bed, cardboard house those abhorrant new build types cept it was an old property. i barely sat in the living room coz it felt so claustrophobic to me.id spend free time in my room.

also back in my mums there were 3 tvs, one satellite. on marriage no tv. it wasn't a huge adjustment though coz i'd stopped watching tv a yr prior to getting married.

as for pampering myself those days went out the window. now i realise buying clothes and accessories every month is a luxury. now i have to save and wait before i can buy anything, i rarely buy on a whim for myself, kids however are another matter.

transport doesn't bother me

i've been without running water many times and like someone said its a great test of patience, and it can make you feel grateful if you don't already.

ive done lots of camping trips roughing it out for a week at the most. warm water was a luxury,id have to get it from a lake or high running stream and then boil it over a camp fire, and trust me it takes a lot longer than an electric kettle.

i remember feeling so greasy i couldn't stand my hair, i washed it with freezing water over a lake at 6am so teachers wouldn't catch me.i gotcaught ofcourse, and i got a telling off coz i could have caught pnemonia for all my vanity...oopsie lol oh well at least my shampoo came into good use!

but alls not lost guys and gals as i type this message from my new home up north, im the one having the last laugh, coz im sitting in a property fit for a princess. its a very spacious property, massive georgian windows, very high ceilings,grand work on the walls with panelling and dados, spare room, gorg kitchen,cloak room gosh im sooo posh...too bad ive onlygot one coat to hang lool. ok so theres no back garden, but im a short drive or bus hop from the mountains i'm not complaining.

my mums house may have sounded grand, but it wasnt like that when i was a kid, things were tough 9 of us crammed into a damp, crumbling 3 bed house that was fit for demolition.

i think i can cope if my living standards drop or fall,how bad can they truly get in the uk where even a vagabond can get housing if they apply and wait? id be afraid if i was living in some third world country, or some place where no state is gona pick me up if i need a helping hand.

p.s i hate cold showers.had to have them when i went to this islamic residential conference, ill never be going residential again. cold showers are so manky. i duno about anyone else but it just doesn't feel clean using cold water to wash ya body. the soap doesn't seep to create any lather, no foam and if i see no foam just feels like bathing with plain water urgh..i could go on i am one of those ocd patients remember? lol

Funzo — Fri, 4 Jan 2008 - 22:59

[quote="yashmaki"]anyways aside from that, without trying to knock my husband coz its not his fault hes providing to the best of his abilities and im not asking for more of him, but since i got married my living standards have dropped. i was accustomed to a 6 bed house with 2 lounges, a study, dining area, large back garden, and the freedom of 3 bathrooms. On getting married i moved into a 2 bed house which i don't mind but it was a boxed two bed, cardboard house those abhorrant new build types cept it was an old property.[/quote]
Well your family probably spent most of there lives or a good time getting a big house i wouldnt expect you to do that straight away.