naive: (of a person or action) showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgement:

naivety:lack of experience, wisdom, or judgement:his appalling naivety in going to the press

Oxford Dico.

ok, thats the wrong word for how I feel.

im not naive. im ... something else... not naive... optimistic?

What is it? Being naive.

What's the difference between being naive and being innocent? Naivety is more ignorance in terms of life experience, and I think innocence isnt necessarily ignorant in terms of experience, just of negativity. Like someone can be innocent but not naive- they can know about negative aspects of life, and just not participate in it.

Is it a good characteristic? Innocence is. I don't think Naivety is. I see it as an inherently negative thing.

Is it needed to be a good Muslim - you know, having faith and hope in people/situations? Or is it being unrealistic/stupid?

Maybe if the person is such a person that the only way they could abstain is by being ignorant rather than knowing and actively doing it, it would be.

p.s these are just my thoughts, could be totally wrong.

I dont think being naive and innocent are the same thing, but naive is considered to be a more negative thing. but either way, you cant blame a person for their lack of experiences can you??? you either have them or u dont and a lot of things affect whether u have those experiences or not so not everyone is naive or innocent to the same degree.

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Until hearing what someone said yesterday

For some reason I find that sentence interesting.

It seems to scream out a single word: context.

When someone says something or someone is naive they might be promoting cynicism in the face of awareness and they might be promoting awareness in the face of ignorance.

I don't like to think the worst of people because how you expect people to act can affect how they act. That can be read as naivety but it is what Lilly said.

Innocent is not intending any wrong. Naive is not expecting unwanted consequences, whether through ignorance or a character trait.

So the question in this thread is whether naivety is good or bad. Given a highly unpredictable course of events almost any action taken will be taken naively, and it is often preferable to take action wholeheartedly and without cynicism, even uncertain of the outcome. Whereas on other occasions risks are known and measurable and an attempt, however naive, to downplay those risks is unhelpful. So there is not a cut-and-dried answer. I wouldn't dwell on anything so semantically dense for too long, but if Lilly's optimism is more knowing than naive I think she is right to clarify.

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

Joie de Vivre wrote:

I don't like to think the worst of people because how you expect people to act can affect how they act.

You mean the way you treat them will affect how they treat you? (Cuz if you expect them to act in a certain way, you will treat them like as if they already have acted that way, does that make sense? :/ )

Yes, that's an example and there are other ways in which you can manipulate the mood environment, distract with love and quite effortlessly alter an apparently immovable course of events as openly as you like. So long as your heart is firmly in the right place.

CYNISMMMMMMMMMM THATS THE WORD I WAS LOOKING FOR. Replace negative with cynism in the PM PofS. im feeling cynistic. not negative.