Sufism: its origin, its fall and its damage

SUFISM: ITS ORIGINS

SUFISM: ITS ORIGINS

Courtesy: Al-Haramain Foundation

The word Sufi is most likely to be derived from the Arabic word "soof", meaning wool. This is because of the Sufi habit of wearing woolen coats, a designation of their initiation into the Sufi order. The early Sufi orders considered the wearing of this coat as an imitation of Isa bin Maryam (Jesus). In reply to this, Ibn Taymiyyah said: "There are a people who have chosen and preferred the wearing of woolen clothes, claiming that they want to resemble al-Maseeh ibn Maryam. But the way of our Prophet is more beloved to us, and the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam.s) used to wear cotton and other garments."1

Sufism is known as "Islamic Mysticism," in which Muslims seek to find divine love and knowledge through direct personal experience of God2. Mysticism is defined as the experience of mystical union or direct communion with ultimate reality, and the belief that direct knowledge of God, spiritual truth, or ultimate reality can be attained through subjective experience (as intuition or insight)3 Both the terms Sufi and Sufism and Sufi beliefs have no basis from the traditional Islamic sources of the Qur'an and Sunnah, a fact even admitted by themselves. Rather, Sufism is in essence a conglomerate consisting of extracts from a multitude of other religions with which Sufi's interacted.

During the primary stages of Sufism, Sufis were characterised by their particular attachment to zikr (remembrance of Allah) and asceticism (seclusion), as well as the beginning of innovated practices to 'aid' in the religious practices. Yet even at the early stage of Sufism, before their involvement in innovated rituals and structured orders, the scholars warned the masses of the extremity of Sufi practices. Imam Al-Shafi' had the opinion that "If a person exercised Sufism (Tasawafa) at the beginning of the day, he doesn't come at Zuhur except an idiot". Imam Malik and Ahmad bin Hanbal also shared similar ideas on this new movement which emanated from Basrah, Iraq. Although it began as a move towards excessive Ibaadah, such practices were doomed to lead to corruption, since their basis did not come from authentic religious doctrines, but rather from exaggerated human emotions. Sufism as an organised movement arose among pious Muslims as a reaction against the worldliness of the early Umayyad period (AD 661-750)4. The Sufis exploited the chaotic state of affairs that existed during the fifth and sixth centuries A.H. and invited people to follow their way, alleging that the remedy to this chaos was conformity to the guidance of their order's Sheikhs. Dar al-Hikmah was established during the reign of Khalifah Ma'moon, where he invited the scholars of the Romans and Greeks to meet with the Muslims and 'discuss' their respective positions. This provided the perfect breeding ground for the synthesis between Islam and Pagan theology, to produce the Sufism of the like of Ibn Arabi.

The Mixing Pot

With the demise of the Companions and their successors, the door became open for the distortion of Islamic Principles. The enemies of Islam had already burrowed deep into the ranks of Muslims and rapidly caused Fitnah through their spreading of forged hadith and subsequently created new sects such as the Khawaarij and Mu'tazilah. Sufism gained its breeding ground during this period, whereby it gained its support from the Dynastic Rulers, who had deviated from Islam to the extent whereby magic was used as entertainment in their courts, even though magic is considered as Kufr in Islam.5 During this period, Sufism developed its Shi'a flavour, indeed the roots of contemporary Sufism have been traced back to Shi'a origins (see later). Sufi ideology and thinking flourished during the times of the likes of Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi, Jalal Ad Din Rumi, and Imam Ghazali. Their translation of Greek philosophical works into Arabic during the third Islamic century left an indelible mark on many aspects of Sufism, resulting in Greek pantheism becoming an integral part of Sufi doctrine. Pagan practices such as Saint worshipping, the use of magic and holding venerance towards their Sheikh overtook the Orthodox practices of Islam and had little resemblance to the Islam left by our Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam). By examining the mystic doctrines of Christianity, Hinduism, Taoism and other religions, it becomes clear how closer Sufism is to these religions than to Islam. In fact, Sufism is never characterised under "Islam" in any system of catalogue, but rather under 'Mysticism'. Sharda highlights these unsurprising similarities by stating that: "After the fall of Muslim orthodoxy from power at the centre of India for about a century, due to the invasion of Timur, the Sufi became free from the control of the Muslim orthodoxy and consorted with Hindu saints, who influenced them to an amazing extent. The Sufi adopted Monism and wifely devotion from the Vaishnava Vedantic school and Bhakti and Yogic practices from the Vaishnava Vedantic school. By that time, the popularity of the Vedantic pantheism among the Sufis had reached its zenith."6

The following comparison demonstrates the non-coincidental similarity that Sufism shares with other religions:

Concept of validity of all religions

The Sufi doctrine of all religions being acceptable before Allah is derived from the Mystical beliefs of other religions, and not Islam, for Allah says: "Truly, the religion in the Sight of Allah is Islam..." [2: 19]. Take for example the Buddhists: "No Buddhist who understands the Buddha's teaching thinks that other religions are wrong... All religions acknowledge that man's present state is unsatisfactory. All teach an ethics that includes love, kindness, patience, generosity and social responsibility and all accept the existence of some form of Absolute." The Sufis also believe the same: "Allah does not distinguish between the non-believer and the Faasiq (wrong doer) or between a believer and a Muslim. In fact they are all equal to Him... Allah does not distinguish between a Kaffir or a hypocrite or between a saint and a Prophet."7 In al-Fusoos, Ibn Arabi leaves no doubt as to his conviction in the unity of all religions: "Beware of restricting yourself to one particular religion and disbelieving in everything else, so that great good would be missed by you, indeed you would miss attainment of knowledge of the affair in the form he is following. Rather be ready to accept all forms of belief. This is because Allah is higher and greater than to be comprehended by one belief to the exclusion of others. Rather all are correct, and everyone who is correct receives award, and everyone who is rewarded is fortunate, and everyone who is fortunate is one with Whom He is pleased."8

Union with the Creator

Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'aala is completely distinct from His Creation. He neither resembles His Creation, nor is He enclosed by it. Sufis however, with their deviant doctrine of Wahdat ul Wujood, believe contrary to this. Ibn Arabi, the Sufi scholar with whom which the concept of Wahdat ul Wujood is rightly attributed, asserted that since Allah's Attributes were manifested in His creation, to worship His creation is similar to worshipping Him: "So the person with complete understanding is he who sees every object of worship to be a manifestation of the truth contained therein, for which it is worshipped. Therefore they call it a god, along with its particular name, whether it is a rock, or a tree, or an animal, or a person, or a star, or an angel."9 This is how far the Sufis deviated because of their reliance on Greek and Eastern philosophy, rather than the Qur'an and Sunnah. To them God is not Allah Alone with whom no one else shares in His Dominion, but rather everything we see around us, and ultimately our own selves! Glory to Allah, who Stated "There is nothing like unto Him, and He is the All-Hearer, the All-Seer" [42: 11].

Looking at where Sufism derived its understanding from, we find the same ingrained beliefs: "When you live in the wisdom home, you'll no longer find a barrier between "I" and "you," "this" and "that," "inside" and "outside;" you'll have come, finally, to your true home, the state of non-duality."10 "Finally, the experience of realisation matures sufficiently that the [spiritual aspirant] may rightly utter the startling assertion, 'I am Shiva' (a Hindu deity)".11 "When I am in that darkness I do not remember anything about anything human, or the God-man.. I see all and I see nothing. As what I have spoken of withdraws and stays with me, I see the God-man.. and he sometimes says to me: 'You are I and I am you'".12

Corruption of Tawheed in Allaah's Attributes

Sufis totally deny all of Allah's Attributes, such as His Face, His Hands, His Istawaa etc, using metaphorical meanings to explain His Attributes. Although the Companions and Tabi'een believed in them without any resemblance to His creation, the Sufi's deem His Attributes to be a part of His creation. Ibn Arabi went as far as to say that he saw Allah during one of his ecstatic trances, in the shape of a young blond boy sitting on a Throne! (see Bezels of Wisdom, London 1980). Other Sufi Gnostics followed suit in Ibn Arabi's trail: "In the writings of Ibn al-Arabi and Ibn al-Farid, eternal beauty is symbolised through female beauty; in Indo-Muslim popular mystical songs the soul is the loving wife, God the longed-for husband." 13 Incorporation of Music in Rituals Music of all forms is forbidden by the majority of scholars, and remains attached to forbidden practices such as drinking, fornication and parties. However, after the Muslim conquest of the Deccan under Malik Kafur (c. 1310), a large number of Hindu musicians were taken with the royal armies and settled in the North. The acceptance of the Sufi doctrines, in which music was an accepted means to the realisation of God, enabled Muslim rulers and noblemen to extend their patronage to this art.14 At the courts of the Mughal emperors Akbar, Jahangir, and Shah Jahan, music flourished on a grand scale, and Sufi Dervishes used music as a means to enter ecstatic trances. Allah's Messenger (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said in a lengthy hadith concerning the appearance of vile acts, "...when singing-girls and stringed instruments make their appearance, wines are drunk, and the last members of this people curse the first ones, look at that time for a violent wind, an earthquake, being swallowed up by the earth, metamorphosis, pelting rain, and signs following one another like bits of a necklace falling one after the other when its string is cut." [Tirmidhi ].

The deception of Sufism is brought to full light by looking at the lives of their esteemed leaders, the Sheikhs of whom which they place full trust in heir knowledge and obey their every command, and by contrasting the Orthodox Islamic teachings against the Sufi alternative.

Sufi Sheikhs: Role Models or Deviants?

Bayazid Tayfur al-Bistami

Bayazid is considered to be "of the six bright stars in the firmament of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam)"15, and a link in the Golden Chain of the Naqshibandi Tariqah. Yet his life reeks of Shirin all aspects. Bayazid al-Bistami was the first one to spread the reality of Annihilation (Fana'), whereby the Mystic becomes fully absorbed to the point of becoming unaware of himself or the objects around him. Every existing thing seems to vanish, and he feels free of every barrier that could stand in the way of his viewing the Remembered One. In one of these states, Bayazid cried out: "Praise to Me, for My greatest Glory!" Yet this concept is to be found nowhere in the Qur'an, nor Sunnah, nor in the behaviour in the Salaf us Saalih. Bistami's belief in the Unity of all religions became apparent when asked the question: "How does Islam view other religions?" His reply was "All are vehicles and a path to God's Divine Presence." Was this the Message of Tawheed which the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) practised and was followed by the Sahaabah? He attributed the believers to be the same as the disbelievers themselves, who Allah describes as being worse than cattle (Surah 7, verse 179) and dogs; the same disbelievers who the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) stated he had been commanded to fight till they testified that there was no deity but Allah. The whole life of Bayazid is rife with such contradiction to Eeman. From a young age, he left his mother stating to her that he could not serve Allah and his mother at the same time.16 When walking through the streets, he once called out "I am God; why do you not worship me?" He spent his time sitting with his head resting between his knees, one of his companions stating he did so for thirty years. But strangest of all was his obedience to a dog he once came across. The dog had apparently become upset at Bayazid's attempt to avoid him, to which the dog spoke to him and scolded him. So Bayazid pleaded "O dog, you are so enlightened, live with me for some time."17

Ibn Arabi

During the late 12th and early 13th centuries, under the influence of speculative mysticism, Ibn al-Arabi produced a system that created a complete chasm between the law and Sufism. In societies, such as Islamic India, that had a strong pre-Islamic heritage of mysticism, this chasm became much wider.18 Muhyiddin Ibn Arabi holds perhaps the highest position amongst all Sufi Schools, and was pivotal in the permanent split between Islam and Sufism. He claimed to have received direct orders from the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) himself, including a book of completely new hadith never seen or heard of before. Prior to his receiving 'revelation', Ibn Arabi was well known to attend nightly parties in Seville. During one of these nights, he heard a voice (his drunk inner self?) calling to him, "O Muhammad, it was not for this that you were created". He fled in fear to a cemetery, where he claims to have met, and received instruction from, Jesus, Moses and Muhammad, peace be upon them all. From his books, innumerable forged sayings attributed to the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) have been used, to the extent that countless of Muslims consider these to be real. The following are quotes from Ibn Arabi:

"The man of wisdom will never allow himself to be caught up in any one form or belief, because he is wise unto himself".19

"All that is left to us by tradition (Hadith) is mere words. It is up to us to find out what they mean"20. (This reflects his alliance with Baatini (inner) meanings and interpretations)

"He (Ibn Rushd) thanked God that in his own time he had seen someone (Ibn Arabi) who had entered into the retreat ignorant and had come out like this (knowledge of inner meanings)- without study, discussion, investigation or reading"21

Junaid

Junaid was the fourth head of the Safavid order who sought to transform the spiritual strength of the order into political power. What may be unknown to his followers however was his policies of military adventurism combined with Shi'a and Sufi piety.22 His son, Haydar, himself established the Safavid dynasty and the Twelver Shi'a Islam in Iran came under his grandson, Isma'il I. He was said to have blown a fatal breath at his slave-girl, to which he argued that she was ruining his forty years of spiritual practices.23 This so-called 'Saint', a supposed friend of Allah, made the following remarks: "I saw a thief who was being gibbeted. I bowed to him... for being true to the profession he followed." "He who fears Allah never smiles". "One moments forgetfulness of the Lord ruins a thousands years worship". Mansur al-Hallaj Mansur is renowned for his claim "Ana-l-Haq" (I am the Truth), for which he was executed for apostasy. Yet he is still revered by Sufis even though he abandoned all the laws governing Tawheed. He was said to have lived in one cloak for a full twenty years, along with a scorpion inside. He stood bare-footed and bare-headed for one year at the same spot in Makkah. During his prayers, he would say "O Lord! You are the guide of those who are passing through the Valley of Bewilderment. If I am a heretic, enlarge my heresy." He also said "I denied your religion (Islam) and denial is obligatory on me, although that is hideous to Muslims."24

Abu Yazid

Abu Yazid once prayed one Juma'a prayer in 24,000 different places. He told the religious authorities in one place: "I was praying in 12,000 different houses of worship today." They asked: "How?" He said, "By the power of the Lord Almighty. If you don't believe me, send people around to ask." They sat and waited until messengers returned saying that he was seen in so many places. Abu Yazid said later: "I was afraid to say 24,000, so I only said 12,000." So Abu Yazid clearly lied, when he could have simply not mentioned anything in the first place.

Are these truly the ones who we are told to receive the knowledge of our religion from? Do these men reflect the teachings of Islam? A man who left obedience to his mother, to the obedience of a dog? Are we supposed to follow men who receive revelation in a cemetery after spending the night at a party? Or a man who kills his slave girl for 'disturbing' his worship? To us, Islam calls smiling a charity, not a deviation from Allah's Pleasure. Islam forbids prostration to anyone but Allah. The Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) used to make du'a seeking Allah's guidance, not begging for heresy. And Islam teaches us truthfulness, not lies.

Evidence Against their teachings: their beliefs and practices

Position of the Sheikh and Wali

The Sheikh or Wali is given a similar standing as that of a Catholic Saint, or the Dalai Lama himself. Complete obedience is enforced on his followers, and any questions are deemed as a betrayal of trust: "The seeker must submit to the will of the Sheikh and to obey him in all his orders and advice, because the Sheikh has more experience and more knowledge in Haqiqat, in Tariqat and in Shari'ah," and "he must agree with the opinion of his Sheikh completely, as the patient agrees with the physician".25 Yet Muslims believe that any single act of worship must be substantiated by the Qur'an and Sunnah only. Allah the Exalted says: "Say (to them), 'Produce your proof if you are truthful'." [2: 111], and the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said "The created is not to be obeyed over the Creator." The Sheikh is given the standing of a deity in Sufism. Attributes which belong to Allah, are also assigned to their Sheikhs. They seek help from them, whether they are dead or 10,000km away. They believe that their sheikhs know everything their students are thinking, and that they converse with the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) on a regular basis (in reality).

Distortion of the concepts of Dhikr, hadith, Qur'an

Since the Qur'an and Saheeh Hadith cannot be changed, the Sufi's have reverted to Ta'weel, a method of changing the apparent meaning of the verse or hadith to have a hidden one. This provided them with sufficient lee-way to support any concept they desired, by simply stating that the verse/hadith had an inner meaning which only the Sheikh himself could know. In the Bezels of Wisdom, Ibn Arabi presents certain aspects of what he terms "Divine Wisdom," as he conceives it. But Ibn al-Arabi interprets the relevant verses of Surat Noah in the most outrageous fashion, since he suggests meanings diametrically opposed to those accepted by all Muslim scholars. He interprets the "wrongdoer," "infidels," and "sinners" in Surat Noah as 'saints and Gnostics' drowning and burning not in the torment of Hell, but rather in the flames and water of knowledge of God. Ibn Arabi regarded the idols worshipped by Noah's people as divine deities. Allah condemned their deed saying: "And they (Noah's people) said, 'Do not abandon your gods, neither Wad, Suwa', Yaghooth, Ya'ooq nor Nasr'. " [71: 23] On which Ibn Arabi commented: "If they (Noah's people) had abandoned them, they would have become ignorant of the Reality ... for in every object of worship there is a reflection of Reality, whether it be recognised or not."

The act of making Zikr in circles and jumping/moving frantically is also totally unfounded. Zikr in the true Arabic sense means "Remembrance of Allah." The Prophet's (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) method, which Muslims agree to be the best and only acceptable one, of zikr consisted in reciting Qur'an, discussing religion with his companions, and making Tasbeeh on his hands. Yet the act of sitting in circles and loudly or silently chanting "Allah, Allah" was never practised by the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) nor the Salaf, and all hadith which state that the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) did so (such as when he supposedly went into a room, told the companions to lift up their hands and chant "La Ilaha Illa Allah" ) are unanimously agreed upon to be forged. Ibn Taymiyyah stated that this practice opened the door to Shaytaan, whereby the Shaytaan would enter the gathering (since they were involved in innovation) and take the form of a pious person. He also stated that the recital of "Allah, Allah" was forbidden, as it was never declared to be a form of Dhikr, and has no attached word to complete it (such as Allahu Akbar, Subhaan Allah).26 The stories also of Khidr and his meeting with the 'Awliyaa', the 40 Abdaal's who are always on the Earth and can be at any place in the wink of an eye, are derived from Jewish and Christian legends, not Islamic traditions.

Innovation

Imam Malik remarked: "That which was not religion at the time of the Messenger and his companions, may Allah be pleased with them all, is never to be religion today. He who introduces a Bid'ah (innovation) in the religion of Islam and deems it a good thing, claims by so doing that Muhammad (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam.s) betrayed the Message." The Sufis are to be found indulging in and spending an enormous amount of resources defending innovated practices, declaring them to be "good innovations." These include celebrating the death of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam.s) (a practice adopted from the reign of Fatamids, who began this innovation in order to seek the pleasure of the masses), reading Qur'an over the dead and seeking blessings form them, and the building of extravagant mosques (even though our Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam.s) forbade this. Anas reports that the Messenger of Allah said: "The Hour will not come to pass until the people vie with each other in (building) the mosques." [Ahmad, Abu Dawud, anNasa'i, Ibn Majah] ).

Why they still survive Emotional attachment

The Sufi's have become such an integral part of the lives of so many Muslims that Muslims are finding it difficult to accept that the Sufi path is wrong, and accuse anyone who pinpoints the errors of Sufism as an extremist or a follower of some 'deviant' sect. Sufism calls to human emotions rather than intellect and Islamic evidence. For example, poetry and music were the most popular form during the past hundreds of years, whereby "Sufi ideas permeated the hearts of all those who hearkened to poetry."27 Today, Sufism is followed by masses of people who desire to leave behind the complexities of this world, instead of building the ability to challenge it. Sufism provides the perfect escape, where its followers can meditate instead of thinking about the other Muslims who are suffering, let alone help them. Similarity with pagan beliefs Sufism is so similar to other religions, and as we noted earlier very tolerant of them, that a change to Sufism does not involve a complete change of life, as Islam requires. So Buddhists, Sikhs, Taoists and mystic Jews and Christians looking for an easy alternative find solace in Sufism which perhaps only adds another dimension to their previous way of life, rather than uprooting it and starting afresh Simplicity Ibnul-Jawzee says in Talbees Iblees: "Sufism is a way whose beginning was complete avoidance of the affairs of worldly life, then those who attached themselves to it became lax in allowing singing and dancing. Therefore the seekers of the hereafter from the common people became attracted to them due to the avoidance of the worldly life which they manifested, and the seekers after this world were also attracted to them due to the life of ease and frivolity which they were seen to live." Sufism offers its followers a life carefree from fighting (Jihad), politics, the initiative to seek knowledge and teach it, the work of Da'wah, and allows a person to indulge in worldly activities such as music, magic, and other prohibited acts.

The leader of the Naqshibandi Tareeqa in America, was quoted in the media as saying the following: "You have to be both material and spiritual. Sufis can give people joy in their spiritual life. Well, Madonna is giving people a kind of joy in their material life... You cannot say she is wrong. Sufis don't object and criticise - they are accepting everything. That's why, when my children are looking at Madonna on MTV, I say, 'Let me come and look also!'" Support from the governments Any group which manages to gain the support of an anti-Islamic Government must be suspicious. During the reign of the tyrant Mustafa Kemal, under whose leadership thousands of scholars were executed and Islamic practices banned, special permission was granted by the Turkish government in 1954 allowing the Mawlawi dervishes of Konya to perform their ritual dances. In fact, they have become a regular attraction nowadays, performing around the world along with their Turkish Mystical Music State Ensemble. 28 The Sheikh of the Naqshibandi's of America has greeted and received praises from the President of America Bill Clinton himself. And why shouldn't he, since the 'Islam' he portrays is one of pacifism and unity with the Kuffar.

Twisting of evidence

Since the Qur'an and Hadith are readily available, and cannot be changed, the Sufis have resorted to another trick used by other Mystics:

Ta'weel, or changing the apparent meaning of a verse or hadith to a secret inner one which only a certified Sheikh could explain! They also rely on providing the mass with forged hadith, such as the one stating the beseeching of Adam (alaihi salaam) in the name of Muhammad when he sinned; the stories of Khidr; the rising of the Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) from his grave so a person could kiss his hand and so on. Because of the lack of knowledge the general mass possess on the knowledge of Hadith and Aqeedah, they believe what they are told, and pass on the stories to other generations, becoming distorted even more along the way. Another smart tactic is to attribute forged sayings in support of the Sufi's from the righteous scholars. For example, Ibn Taymiyyah is attributed to have been a member of the Qadiri order and had been initiated, and spoken great words on Bistami and his likes. Yet Ibn Taymiyyah spent the majority of his life fighting against the teachings of Sufism, was imprisoned because of them, and bluntly stated "...Ibn Arabi who wrote "Al-Fousous," and other slandering atheists such as Ibn Sab'een and his like. They even witness that they are simultaneously the worshipers and the ones being worshiped."

The Damage to the Ummah

* Sufis distracted the Muslims from the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah towards the servitude of the Sheikh. Muslims thus became alienated from the teachings of Islam, and possessed no protection from the innovations and trappings of the deviant sects. Teachings such as "He (the follower) must not look to any other than his Sheikh" did nothing to cement the community. Rather, it sent the ball rolling for the wars between the various Mathabs, which culminated in fighting, rejection of each other faiths, and praying at different stations in Makkah itself.
* The Sufi's have left a lasting impression on the image of Islam, portraying it as one of peace and apolitical, and anyone who contravenes this is an impostor and considered an extremist. By relying on forged hadith such as the 'bigger Jihad is Jihad'ul Nafs (i.e. struggle against the self)' and its like, Muslims have been made to believe that work and family is the greatest Jihad, rather than establishing Allah's religion on Earth though the use of the sword.
* The Sufi influence undoubtedly contributed greatly to the decline of the Ottoman Empire. The pacifist views they spread, the lack of Shari'ah knowledge, and their befriending of the disbelievers, made sure that no one would oppose the vast changes being made to the Ottoman Laws. By 1880, the Tanzimat period was in full force, where Shari'ah was replaced by European Laws (except in limited circumstances such as in Hadd punishments), yet little opposition was heard29. Whilst the masses were busy in the construction of extravagant mosques and spinning around in circles, the Ottoman Empire was overtaken by Masons and eventually torn to parts. Conclusion Sufism was doomed to destruction from when it first emerged, because of its deviation from the teachings of the Qur'an and Sunnah. The small excess, the little innovation, led to the snowball effect, such that it emerged as a movement for well-meant increased Ibaadah and Zuhd, to Kufr and Innovation.

In truth, Islam is sufficient for us, and it is only Shaytaan who wishes to turn us away from our religion, to make us exceed the limits, and fall into his trap. The only sure way to avoid this is to grasp tightly onto what was left to us by our beloved Prophet (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), the Qur'an and Sunnah, as understood and believed and acted upon by the best people to have lived: the Salaf us Saalih, the Companions and those who followed their footsteps.

- Br. Yusuf Hijazi

I know i hardly know anything about anything so i've probably got no right to, but i just want to say something;

I didn't read any of that, but i read the comments on lots of your other things and it reminded me of something from RS when Al-Hallaj the sufi who was executed because of what he said about being able to perform tawaf around any 'small square construction' or something like that and imprisoned because he was accused of shi'ism. Anyway from what i can remember, he had really unconventional ways of showing his devotion and said some strange things and people found him a bit bizarre. He was aware of this and is said to have said at one time:

"I hear people saying i'm a saint, and others say that i am impious. I, and Allah, prefer those who call me impious because although those that call me a saint do so because they respect me, the others call me impious out of zeal for their religion. A man zealous for his religion is dearer to Allah, and dearer to me than a man who venerates a creature"

I thought that was relevant.

#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #

I deleted your other topic because it is a duplicate where the contents should have been in here (or another existing topic!)

In reality, even this should be deleted as this is also a repeat of other topics, but since it has a reply, I will let it stand. this time.

My reply on that topic:

The above would have some credibility, if "Sufism" and what it entailed was separate from the qur'an and sunnah. Since it is generally acting on the quran and sunnah, I would call the above not only hyperbole, but a clear cut lie.

(and it would help the authors case if the scholars who did cause disunity and made the blood of muslims halaal - namely Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahaab, someone who even many salafis try to distance themselves from, had come before all that and had warned about it, instead of him coming along, seeing unity and then striking it with a poisoned sword. His followers helped destroy the last caliphate.)

The ones who are creating division in teh ummah? How about those funding muslims in Iraq to blow up other muslims? How about those that are funding and providing moral support in Somalia to blow up other muslims? How about those doing the same in Pakistan?

I am certain suicide bombers blowing up muslims on thweir way to work, in the markets, at schools etc spreads far more division from what the above text says - especially as I have given my opinion on the above texts.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:

"...A man zealous for his religion is dearer to Allah, and dearer to me than a man who venerates a creature"

I thought that was relevant.

interesting, and something in favour of awlia's behaviour, but I disagree with it. There is right and wrong and the eg someone is killing innocents out of zeal for religion, then that is wrong. So, yes, while it is just words, that bit is more than correct.

But when it comes to actions and disunity, sometimes the zeal can create a lot of damage.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:
I know i hardly know anything about anything so i've probably got no right to, but i just want to say something;

I didn't read any of that, but i read the comments on lots of your other things and it reminded me of something from RS when Al-Hallaj the sufi who was executed because of what he said about being able to perform tawaf around any 'small square construction' or something like that and imprisoned because he was accused of shi'ism. Anyway from what i can remember, he had really unconventional ways of showing his devotion and said some strange things and people found him a bit bizarre. He was aware of this and is said to have said at one time:

"I hear people saying i'm a saint, and others say that i am impious. I, and Allah, prefer those who call me impious because although those that call me a saint do so because they respect me, the others call me impious out of zeal for their religion. A man zealous for his religion is dearer to Allah, and dearer to me than a man who venerates a creature"

I thought that was relevant.

well its priety obvious why he was executed,because he made a total nonsense haram,and if he was allowed to live then who knows what other nonsense and haram he would made, did allah say circle anything cube? and if i was to make a cube right now would that be holy? of course not the kabah is holy, not because of its shape, not becasue of its look but because allah has decided that kabah is the holyest thing in islam,so how can circling any cube be equivelant to kabah? not even circling any other mosque is allowed in islam as thats something only the kabah has been chosen for then how on earth will circuling anything cube be allowed, cube is just a shape, how on earth can anything cube be equivelant to kabah, whats the different between cube and sphere, they just look different theirs nothing special about either of them, the kahab, it is a mosque the main house of allah, the headquraters of the muslim, if i was to make a kabah myself can i circle it? no because thats not teh real thing, allah has ordered to circle the kabah, the real thing, not some nonsense cube or fake thing made by us.

You wrote:
I deleted your other topic because it is a duplicate where the contents should have been in here (or another existing topic!)

In reality, even this should be deleted as this is also a repeat of other topics, but since it has a reply, I will let it stand. this time.

My reply on that topic:

The above would have some credibility, if "Sufism" and what it entailed was separate from the qur'an and sunnah. Since it is generally acting on the quran and sunnah, I would call the above not only hyperbole, but a clear cut lie.

(and it would help the authors case if the scholars who did cause disunity and made the blood of muslims halaal - namely Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahaab, someone who even many salafis try to distance themselves from, had come before all that and had warned about it, instead of him coming along, seeing unity and then striking it with a poisoned sword. His followers helped destroy the last caliphate.)

The ones who are creating division in teh ummah? How about those funding muslims in Iraq to blow up other muslims? How about those that are funding and providing moral support in Somalia to blow up other muslims? How about those doing the same in Pakistan?

I am certain suicide bombers blowing up muslims on thweir way to work, in the markets, at schools etc spreads far more division from what the above text says - especially as I have given my opinion on the above texts.

the situation in iraq is due to general porblems, not because they are making false things in religion like sufis do, so its a completely different thing, and second of all suicide bomber havent done any damage to division of the ummah, yes suicide bombing is haram but how has suicide bombing done any damage to the ummah? it didnt divide it, by the time suicide bombing started the ummah was already divided.

And clear cut lie, the brother has put all the evidence their so how can it be a lie? the evidence is their not fabricated thrash you sufi make, but from real people who commented on sufism.

Obviously to you it will be a lie as its something that has totally exposed your lies, second of all the evidence is their so for it to be a liewell even nonmuslim willagree with it being the truth so you sufis rejecting it shows how low you can get, and to what extant you can take your lies, their is a reason why you have been quoted as the liers and i can see this now why.

Second of all how was the ummah destructed, it wasnt becasue of who you mentioned,if you look at the destruction you can see the ummah destructed everytime the last best leader died, meaning it was destructed because the ummah started loosing its best caliphs and whenever the next amir was chosen that amir just didnt have what it takes to lead the ummah and theirfore the kuffars got the chance to destrct it and thats what they did.
Brother you should check the history of the ummah, its rise its fall its rise again by salauddin and its fall from their again.

So your claims you gave are not only weak, but have no evidence or anyhting but just plain lies. And more of all makes no sense. You couldnt even refute any of the things mentioned in the article so what do you do just say its all lies.

By allah if the original sufis were still alived theyd be ashamed of seeing where the sufism has come today.

Their is a reason why these imams made these comment about you sufis of today:

Imam Ahmed Bin Hanbal:

" Warn (people) from Al-Harith( a Sufi leader) the strongest warning!!Al-Harith is the origin of the confusion(referring to the incidents of Jahm- . Fulan and Fulan have sat with that (person) and he has changed them to Jahm's view, He is still the shelter of the people of the talk. Harith is in the position of a garrisonned lion any day (he) will leap on the people"-Talbees Iblis Pgs166-167.

Imam Abu Zara' Al-Dimashqi:

When asked about the books of Al-Harith Al-Muhasbi: "Beware of those books. those are books of innovation and misguidance.Stick to what has been related from the prophet-saaws-(Al-Athar), you will find in it what would spare you those books. It was told to him:There is a lesson(Ibra) in those books. He said: Whoever doesn't find a lesson from the book of Allah, would not find a lesson in those books. It has reached you that Malik bin Anas, Sufyan AL-Thawri, Al-Awzai and the precedent Imamas classified those books amongst the anxieties, insinuations and those(similar) things. Those(meaning the Sufis) people contradicted the people of knowledge ( Ahl Al-Elm), they come to us once by Al-Harith Al-Muhasbi, another by Abdul-Raheem Al-Dubeeli, another by Hatim Al-Asam, another by Shaqiq Al-Bulakhi, then he said: how fast are people (going ) to innovations(Al-Bida')."

And the damage to ummah made sufis is worse then nonmuslims, nonmuslims have jsut seperated the ummah and killed muslims, but you sufi barelvi make peopel commit shirk and make them follow innovations and take them away from allah and his messenger SAW.

awlia wrote:
the situation in iraq is due to general porblems, not because they are making false things in religion like sufis do, so its a completely different thing

yes it is completely different because instead of remembering Allah (swt), people decided to "fight" the "invaders" by blowing up market places and schools and places of employment.

Yes, it is totally different. and it actually is divisory, unlike madhabs or sufism - where the divisions occurred centuries after its practice when newcomers decided that the old ways were unislamic.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

You wrote:
awlia wrote:
the situation in iraq is due to general porblems, not because they are making false things in religion like sufis do, so its a completely different thing

yes it is completely different because instead of remembering Allah (swt), people decided to "fight" the "invaders" by blowing up market places and schools and places of employment.

Yes, it is totally different. and it actually is divisory, unlike madhabs or sufism - where the divisions occurred centuries after its practice when newcomers decided that the old ways were unislamic.

if iraq were smart they would simply go and fight the invaders and not blowing up markets, thats the real way to do the jihad of battle. But again its not religion is it its the fact that their not doing it the right way.

As for your second statement, well it shows the stupidity of newcomers thinking old way being unislamic, as the older generation muslims were the best example.

awlia wrote:
As for your second statement, well it shows the stupidity of newcomers thinking old way being unislamic, as the older generation muslims were the best example.

exactly! I agree with you 100%.

(only thing is this haraam/takfir/shirk business started and got into full swing in the last three centuries, before when the same actions that you are arguing against were widely accepted.)

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

awlia wrote:
MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:
I know i hardly know anything about anything so i've probably got no right to, but i just want to say something;

I didn't read any of that, but i read the comments on lots of your other things and it reminded me of something from RS when Al-Hallaj the sufi who was executed because of what he said about being able to perform tawaf around any 'small square construction' or something like that and imprisoned because he was accused of shi'ism. Anyway from what i can remember, he had really unconventional ways of showing his devotion and said some strange things and people found him a bit bizarre. He was aware of this and is said to have said at one time:

"I hear people saying i'm a saint, and others say that i am impious. I, and Allah, prefer those who call me impious because although those that call me a saint do so because they respect me, the others call me impious out of zeal for their religion. A man zealous for his religion is dearer to Allah, and dearer to me than a man who venerates a creature"

I thought that was relevant.

well its priety obvious why he was executed,because he made a total nonsense haram,and if he was allowed to live then who knows what other nonsense and haram he would made, did allah say circle anything cube? and if i was to make a cube right now would that be holy? of course not the kabah is holy, not because of its shape, not becasue of its look but because allah has decided that kabah is the holyest thing in islam,so how can circling any cube be equivelant to kabah? not even circling any other mosque is allowed in islam as thats something only the kabah has been chosen for then how on earth will circuling anything cube be allowed, cube is just a shape, how on earth can anything cube be equivelant to kabah, whats the different between cube and sphere, they just look different theirs nothing special about either of them, the kahab, it is a mosque the main house of allah, the headquraters of the muslim, if i was to make a kabah myself can i circle it? no because thats not teh real thing, allah has ordered to circle the kabah, the real thing, not some nonsense cube or fake thing made by us.

What's wrong with you?

a) i was defending YOU

and b) if you actually read that properly and not so defensively you might have noticed, as 'You' did, that it wasn't actually ABOUT Al-Hallaj, it's about what he said, it was about the way he defended the people who ridiculed him and it was about how there's nothing wrong with being passionate about something because it shows 'zeal for your religion'

For goodness' sake.

#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #

MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:
awlia wrote:
MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:
I know i hardly know anything about anything so i've probably got no right to, but i just want to say something;

I didn't read any of that, but i read the comments on lots of your other things and it reminded me of something from RS when Al-Hallaj the sufi who was executed because of what he said about being able to perform tawaf around any 'small square construction' or something like that and imprisoned because he was accused of shi'ism. Anyway from what i can remember, he had really unconventional ways of showing his devotion and said some strange things and people found him a bit bizarre. He was aware of this and is said to have said at one time:

"I hear people saying i'm a saint, and others say that i am impious. I, and Allah, prefer those who call me impious because although those that call me a saint do so because they respect me, the others call me impious out of zeal for their religion. A man zealous for his religion is dearer to Allah, and dearer to me than a man who venerates a creature"

I thought that was relevant.

well its priety obvious why he was executed,because he made a total nonsense haram,and if he was allowed to live then who knows what other nonsense and haram he would made, did allah say circle anything cube? and if i was to make a cube right now would that be holy? of course not the kabah is holy, not because of its shape, not becasue of its look but because allah has decided that kabah is the holyest thing in islam,so how can circling any cube be equivelant to kabah? not even circling any other mosque is allowed in islam as thats something only the kabah has been chosen for then how on earth will circuling anything cube be allowed, cube is just a shape, how on earth can anything cube be equivelant to kabah, whats the different between cube and sphere, they just look different theirs nothing special about either of them, the kahab, it is a mosque the main house of allah, the headquraters of the muslim, if i was to make a kabah myself can i circle it? no because thats not teh real thing, allah has ordered to circle the kabah, the real thing, not some nonsense cube or fake thing made by us.

What's wrong with you?

a) i was defending YOU

and b) if you actually read that properly and not so defensively you might have noticed, as 'You' did, that it wasn't actually ABOUT Al-Hallaj, it's about what he said, it was about the way he defended the people who ridiculed him and it was about how there's nothing wrong with being passionate about something because it shows 'zeal for your religion'

For goodness' sake.

defending me? thats a first

awlia wrote:
MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:
awlia wrote:
MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:
I know i hardly know anything about anything so i've probably got no right to, but i just want to say something;

I didn't read any of that, but i read the comments on lots of your other things and it reminded me of something from RS when Al-Hallaj the sufi who was executed because of what he said about being able to perform tawaf around any 'small square construction' or something like that and imprisoned because he was accused of shi'ism. Anyway from what i can remember, he had really unconventional ways of showing his devotion and said some strange things and people found him a bit bizarre. He was aware of this and is said to have said at one time:

"I hear people saying i'm a saint, and others say that i am impious. I, and Allah, prefer those who call me impious because although those that call me a saint do so because they respect me, the others call me impious out of zeal for their religion. A man zealous for his religion is dearer to Allah, and dearer to me than a man who venerates a creature"

I thought that was relevant.

well its priety obvious why he was executed,because he made a total nonsense haram,and if he was allowed to live then who knows what other nonsense and haram he would made, did allah say circle anything cube? and if i was to make a cube right now would that be holy? of course not the kabah is holy, not because of its shape, not becasue of its look but because allah has decided that kabah is the holyest thing in islam,so how can circling any cube be equivelant to kabah? not even circling any other mosque is allowed in islam as thats something only the kabah has been chosen for then how on earth will circuling anything cube be allowed, cube is just a shape, how on earth can anything cube be equivelant to kabah, whats the different between cube and sphere, they just look different theirs nothing special about either of them, the kahab, it is a mosque the main house of allah, the headquraters of the muslim, if i was to make a kabah myself can i circle it? no because thats not teh real thing, allah has ordered to circle the kabah, the real thing, not some nonsense cube or fake thing made by us.

What's wrong with you?

a) i was defending YOU

and b) if you actually read that properly and not so defensively you might have noticed, as 'You' did, that it wasn't actually ABOUT Al-Hallaj, it's about what he said, it was about the way he defended the people who ridiculed him and it was about how there's nothing wrong with being passionate about something because it shows 'zeal for your religion'

For goodness' sake.

defending me? thats a first

Erm, when have you ever been attacked? From what i've seen, it's always been you doing the attacking.

No one can say anything to you, or present an idea or alternative theory without having their heads bitten off. That's a metaphor btw, i know how against those you seem to be :doubt:

But yeah, defending you. So you're welcome (: (: (:

#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #

MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:
awlia wrote:
MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:
awlia wrote:
MakeMeRawr_6TeenF wrote:
I know i hardly know anything about anything so i've probably got no right to, but i just want to say something;

I didn't read any of that, but i read the comments on lots of your other things and it reminded me of something from RS when Al-Hallaj the sufi who was executed because of what he said about being able to perform tawaf around any 'small square construction' or something like that and imprisoned because he was accused of shi'ism. Anyway from what i can remember, he had really unconventional ways of showing his devotion and said some strange things and people found him a bit bizarre. He was aware of this and is said to have said at one time:

"I hear people saying i'm a saint, and others say that i am impious. I, and Allah, prefer those who call me impious because although those that call me a saint do so because they respect me, the others call me impious out of zeal for their religion. A man zealous for his religion is dearer to Allah, and dearer to me than a man who venerates a creature"

I thought that was relevant.

well its priety obvious why he was executed,because he made a total nonsense haram,and if he was allowed to live then who knows what other nonsense and haram he would made, did allah say circle anything cube? and if i was to make a cube right now would that be holy? of course not the kabah is holy, not because of its shape, not becasue of its look but because allah has decided that kabah is the holyest thing in islam,so how can circling any cube be equivelant to kabah? not even circling any other mosque is allowed in islam as thats something only the kabah has been chosen for then how on earth will circuling anything cube be allowed, cube is just a shape, how on earth can anything cube be equivelant to kabah, whats the different between cube and sphere, they just look different theirs nothing special about either of them, the kahab, it is a mosque the main house of allah, the headquraters of the muslim, if i was to make a kabah myself can i circle it? no because thats not teh real thing, allah has ordered to circle the kabah, the real thing, not some nonsense cube or fake thing made by us.

What's wrong with you?

a) i was defending YOU

and b) if you actually read that properly and not so defensively you might have noticed, as 'You' did, that it wasn't actually ABOUT Al-Hallaj, it's about what he said, it was about the way he defended the people who ridiculed him and it was about how there's nothing wrong with being passionate about something because it shows 'zeal for your religion'

For goodness' sake.

defending me? thats a first

Erm, when have you ever been attacked? From what i've seen, it's always been you doing the attacking.

No one can say anything to you, or present an idea or alternative theory without having their heads bitten off. That's a metaphor btw, i know how against those you seem to be :doubt:

But yeah, defending you. So you're welcome (: (: (:

well when their heads get bitten off do i or do i not provide evidence from the quran and sunnah, and in thi case at times from teh salafs and tabieens and the the generations after.

As for the metaphor arguement i already gave my answer for this in the other thread so i'll just copy and paste it here:

comment on metaphor:

it depends on the verse, their are certain vesres metaphors are used BUT certain verses that are not, when allah describes himself it is defentely amongst those verses that metaphors are not used.

Such as when allah says the sky of the heavens is the throne of allah, is that a metaphor? no its not. When allah describes himself its the same as that, not metaphor but a direct statement.

awlia wrote:
well when their heads get bitten off do i or do i not provide evidence from the quran and sunnah, and in thi case at times from teh salafs and tabieens and the the generations after.

As for the metaphor arguement i already gave my answer for this in the other thread so i'll just copy and paste it here:

comment on metaphor:

it depends on the verse, their are certain vesres metaphors are used BUT certain verses that are not, when allah describes himself it is defentely amongst those verses that metaphors are not used.

Such as when allah says the sky of the heavens is the throne of allah, is that a metaphor? no its not. When allah describes himself its the same as that, not metaphor but a direct statement.

Way to show zeal for your beliefs, I think Al-Hallaj would be proud of you :]

#Before you look at the thorns of the rose , look at it's beauty. Before you complain about the heat of the sun , enjoy it's light. Before you complain about the blackness of the night, think of it's peace and quiet... #

Just skimmed the first post... and noticed this segment...

awlia wrote:
Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'aala is completely distinct from His Creation. He neither resembles His Creation, nor is He enclosed by it. Sufis however, with their deviant doctrine of Wahdat ul Wujood, believe contrary to this.

@Awlia - which position are you taking? I thought you wre arguing that the description of God was not metaphorical?

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

You wrote:
Just skimmed the first post... and noticed this segment...

awlia wrote:
Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'aala is completely distinct from His Creation. He neither resembles His Creation, nor is He enclosed by it. Sufis however, with their deviant doctrine of Wahdat ul Wujood, believe contrary to this.

@Awlia - which position are you taking? I thought you wre arguing that the description of God was not metaphorical?

no idea what this is about but it is true allah looks nothing like his creation even if he does have a face hand or foot, it looks completely different.

skimming through the posts i can see you already went through this part of the arguement, so just pointing the out.

But if you read the article properly that part is from the subheading union with the creator, which in that part is true, allah swt is totally different and seperate from his creation, thats what that part of the article means, just a advise always double read or youll just make errors and make yourself look a bit silly. As that part has nothing got to do with hands face or foot of allah, its talking about a COMPLETELY different thing.

Sorry if i hurt or said it badly but just be a bit careful inshallah.