Donating is Hard to Do.

I was haveing this discussion the other day with a friend.

Who told me that although blood can be donated (as the body can simply replace it) we can not however donate an organ.

But what if one of your parents is dying and needs a kidney or something and we're a match. Are we supposed to do nothing?

There is a large variation of scholarly opinion on this matter. Some say it is absolutely forbidden and others say it is permissible if someone's life is threatened (I can't think of a situation where someone would have an organ transplant when their life WASN'T threatened). The reason they give for this is because haram things become halal in times of need (e.g. you can eat pork if there is NO other food available).

I don't think any of us our qualified to give our own judgement, but just to let you know that not all scholars are in agreement on this matter.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

I think what he was getting at was that when you die, and are resurrected all your organs are supposed to testify against you. And if you've donated them away they cant do that.

It was something like that.

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Seraphim wrote:
...when you die, and are resurrected all your organs are supposed to testify against you. And if you've donated them away they cant do that...

I doubt that is the argument - it is limiting the power of Allah (swt).

The argument that I have heard against donating is that the body is "on loan" from Allah (swt). It is not our property to give away.

Personally, I think it is allowed.

(PS another argument "It's against God's will" is not an Islamic argument. More like Jehovah's witnesses or something. If God willed something to happen (or not), there is nothing we can do to alter it.)

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

Yeah i suppose that makes sense

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There was a hadith in which a man was so scared of being punished by Allah (swt), that on his death he requested his body to be burned and the ashes to be spread in every continent of the world. On the day of Judgement Allah (swt) will collect every last piece of the man and put them back together (because He is all Powerful, of course). He will then forgive the man, because the fact that he was so Scared of Allah's (swt) punishment shows he had firm belief (even though he thought he could escape).

Even though this story does not relate exactly to what your saying, it is linked, I think.

Don't just do something! Stand there.

I thought about donating blood but then i read somehwere you have to weigh as least 8 stone before you can.

Like Ya'qub said the scholars are in disagreement when it comes to organ donation, some say yes its ok some say no.

I think the main reason why scholars say no is what Admin has said about the body not belonging to us.

The flip side to it would be that by donating you are helping someone.

Quote:
....."Whosoever saves the life of one person it would be as if he saved the life of all mankind.".... Qur'an 5:32

The above verse is used in a different context in the holy Qur'an however, a verse like this can be applied to other situations.

I think as long as your not donating a vital organ such as the heart or the donating doesnt cause the donor any harm then i dont see anything wrong with it. If my siblings or parents every needed a organ donation i would be first in line to donate.

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Naz wrote:

I think as long as your not donating a vital organ such as the heart or the donating doesnt cause the donor any harm then i dont see anything wrong with it.

1st, the issue is not whether you personally see anything wrong with it, its whether it is Islamically permissible, Naz.

2nd all our organs our vital for us to live, except we can live without one of our kidneys because we have two (except this causes unhealthiness and a shorter life).

I thought Seraph's original question regarded donating our organs after our death (correct me if I'm wrong).

Don't just do something! Stand there.

Ya'qub][quote=Naz wrote:
1st, the issue is not whether you personally see anything wrong with it, its whether it is Islamically permissible, Naz.

In this case since the scholars disagree on its permissibility, I do think there is scope for personal opinion.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.

All the wealth we receive in this world is not 'ours', but a loan from Allah (swt). I've never heard anyone say we shouldn't give money as charity using the argument "But God gave it to ME! I'm not allowed to give it to you instead, sorry."

Don't just do something! Stand there.

Ya'qub wrote:

2nd all our organs our vital for us to live, except we can live without one of our kidneys because we have two (except this causes unhealthiness and a shorter life).


If you dont have a kidney then you would have to change your eating habits, possibly have to attend regular hospital visits etc.

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...

Ya'qub wrote:
There was a hadith in which a man was so scared of being punished by Allah (swt), that on his death he requested his body to be burned and the ashes to be spread in every continent of the world. On the day of Judgement Allah (swt) will collect every last piece of the man and put them back together (because He is all Powerful, of course). He will then forgive the man, because the fact that he was so Scared of Allah's (swt) punishment shows he had firm belief (even though he thought he could escape).

Even though this story does not relate exactly to what your saying, it is linked, I think.


I was going to talk about that.

Those who danced were thought to be quite insane, by those who couldn't hear the music...

Ya'qub wrote:

I thought Seraph's original question regarded donating our organs after our death (correct me if I'm wrong).

I was actually speaking generally. But was interested in the Islamic position both before or after death.

So Naz's answer is still appreciated.

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I've read somewhere that after a person dies their punishment begins. I also think a funeral prayer is to be done as soon as possible so that a person can be buried so they arent moved from one place to another causing a lot of pain to the 'dead' person.

So you can imagine if a person hurts just by being moved around in the coffin imagine having your body ripped apart and your organs taken out (sorry for soo much info, but you get the gist)

Angel wrote:
I've read somewhere that after a person dies their punishment begins. I also think a funeral prayer is to be done as soon as possible so that a person can be buried so they arent moved from one place to another causing a lot of pain to the 'dead' person.

I've never heard that before (punishment starting immediately after a person has died), if you can find the source then please post it.

"When the dead body is placed on a bier, and the people carry it towards the graveyard, the virtuous one urges them to move faster, but when the dead is a sinner he cries 'where is my family members taking me'."

love to live but living to die wrote:
Angel wrote:
I've read somewhere that after a person dies their punishment begins. I also think a funeral prayer is to be done as soon as possible so that a person can be buried so they arent moved from one place to another causing a lot of pain to the 'dead' person.

o o o ... if u had donated an organ and u die...

ur body shud b buried asap to reduce the amount of pain it may b goin thru...

since an organ of urs is still outside but in some1 else wud that soul feel the pain?? or no coz its still 'alive' but in some1 else!

You should be buried ASAP because your stomach will explode. And we don't want that!

Chin up, mate! Life's too short.

love to live but living to die wrote:
dats not tru is it?!?

I'm not being funny, but yes it is. Sorry for my crude terminology, but, these gases build up in your stomach when you die, and if you leave it for too long then your belly will burst and everyone will get diseases. Which is why you should bury ASAP.
When someone from their side was killed, Zulus cut their belly open to "release the spirit" which were actually the gases.

Chin up, mate! Life's too short.

Courage wrote:
love to live but living to die wrote:
dats not tru is it?!?

I'm not being funny, but yes it is. Sorry for my crude terminology, but, these gases build up in your stomach when you die, and if you leave it for too long then your belly will burst and everyone will get diseases. Which is why you should bury ASAP.
When someone from their side was killed, Zulus cut their belly open to "release the spirit" which were actually the gases.

I n t e r e s t i n g

Didnt knw that before lol

If you desire Allah to be persistent in granting you the things you love,, be persistent in doing the things that he loves - (Imaam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal)

The chemicals can be released in other manners too. Since the muscles no longer work, a body can be tipped over and made to "vomit" the poison - giving a greater length before the body spoils. I think this is done anyway in hot climes.

"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.