he hasn't. he's just having another pizza.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

"Naz" wrote:

In rape cases no victim is blameless.

???

5,000 kids under the age of 16 are raped in England and wales every year.

842 children rang the NSPCC last year claiming that they were raped by their father.

And, 95% of sexual crimes commited against children go unreported.

I know a child who was sexually abused by her father for five years since she was 8.

I even taught a kid who had severe behaviour problems - only cos she was sexually abused by her parents when she was a baby!

Was the 8year old girl to blame for 'exciting' her father? Was the baby to blame for the fact that her dad was sick in the head?

To say that 'no rape victim is blameless' is a load of BS.

sorry should have made myself clear i meant adult rape. Many cases do not result in a conviction as a result of what women were wearing on the night they were raped.

your all so easy to judge the rapists what about the fact that she committed adultery. The last time i checked that was a punishable sin in Islam.

I think on this forum people are way too one sided, you have consider all the sides of the argument before you can come to a conclusion. Its a problem throughout the world aswell; where fools and fanatics are full of themselves and wise people so full of doubt.

Back it up with evidence please, i dont like people claiming things without evidence even if it is true, thank you.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

"Naz" wrote:

Many cases do not result in a conviction as a result of what women were wearing on the night they were raped.
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In the UK the way a woman is dressed bears little implication on weather or not a conviction takes place - it might be raised as an issue by the defendent, however no judge here would 'lessen' a rapists punishment if the victim was wearing a skirt instead of trousers.

And in this case, the saudi victim was covered from head to toe.

oh you would be suprised. Dress is everything in a rape trial. Thats how defence barristers work.

I have no remorse for the women in this case she aint no angel as everyone is making her out to be.

Noone deserves to get raped. no one asks for it. After all rape is the act where one of the parties [b]refused[/b] consentual sex.

It is not even about a person being good or not. Entirely separate issue (whether or not it is legally is up for debate, but morally IMO it is.)

Maybe she was "up for it" but got too much for what she bargained for? (it sounds sick i know but stuff like this does happen)

and then she wasn't?

as I said, no one deserves it.

If (the proverbial) you (male or female in these days of equal opps) were walking home one night in the dark (and lets face it - it is dark at around 4pm these days) and a group of thugs started following you (once again male or female - there have been instances where women have raped men), and decided to have their way, would you deserve it? Why were you out alone in the dark?

If that sounds totally preposterous, then I got it right. That is almost exactly what is being suggested by others.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

In this country, only this year government officials stated that guys who rape drunken women are more likely to be convicted.

The question of consent is crucial in every rape case.

If someone is drunk and they cannot remember if they gave consent or not, this makes prosecuting the 'rapist' much harder.

"MuslimSister" wrote:

how can the way they dress play a part - esp given that we live in a country where is cool to show skin.

Interesting Journal that i had to read on my undergraduate course. An interview with 10 experienced barristers who have defended and prosecuted rape cases for many years. One of the things that was highlighted was the character of the complainant.

read it for yourself

[url]http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/1467-6478.00152?cookieS...

pgs 224-225

I think the statement "no one deserves it what ever the situation" isnt fully right because there can be cases where the victim was partly to blame. I think each particular case has its own story and we cant conclude that all rape victims werent to blame but then again you cant say all victims were to blame, you cant generalise like this with such a delicate subject.

you gone nuts? its very simple, if the woman said NO and the guy went ahead regardless of the situation then the rapist is at fault and deserves to be smacked.

i agree with noor when someone does a very bad deed he should get punished for what he did

"Noor" wrote:

you gone nuts? its very simple, if the woman said NO and the guy went ahead regardless of the situation then the rapist is at fault and deserves to be smacked.

I think the problem arises when no one remembers exactly what happened. She was sooo waster that she doesnt really know for sure if she said no or not. And obviously the next morning regrets it big time and if she had been in her right frame of mind. She probably wouldnt have done it... so she screams rape.

"Noor" wrote:

you gone nuts? its very simple, if the woman said NO and the guy went ahead regardless of the situation then the rapist is at fault and deserves to be smacked.

i was talking about blame but yes he should in this case you need to read what i say, maybe i am at fault in i didnt explain properly.

"Funzo" wrote:

I think the statement "no one deserves it what ever the situation" isnt fully right because there can be cases where the victim was partly to blame. I think each particular case has its own story and we cant conclude that all rape victims werent to blame but then again you cant say all victims were to blame, you cant generalise like this with such a delicate subject.

subhanallah

well put.

You absolutely CAN conclude that all rape victims were not to blame. You should be careful on such a delicate matter.

What you can't conclude in some situations is whether it was rape or not.

oh come on Admin get real

so if a women is walking down a dark alleyway wearing high heels, a mini skirt and a boob tube and she gets raped then she is not to blame?

She will get no pity and sympathy from the judge nor the jury.

You do have valid point on the issue of consent though.

No, she is not to blame. No one forced the rapist to carry out the rape... he (or she) could walk the other way.

Whether you will get a legal conviction is a totally separate issue from whether the person deserved it.

A "women [sic] walking down a dark alleyway wearing high heels, a mini skirt and a boob tube" is the avergae Joanna Bloggs on a Friday night out.

I daresay that every woman dressed like that (Joanna Bloggs) is [i]asking[/i] to be raped. Shes only dressing as is normal Brit culture for a Friday night.

"Naz" wrote:

oh come on Admin get real

so if a women is walking down a dark alleyway wearing high heels, a mini skirt and a boob tube and she gets raped then she is not to blame?

She will get no pity and sympathy from the judge nor the jury.

You do have valid point on the issue of consent though.

ur talking [b]rubbish[/b] Naz.

what if I said "any woman walking around with Hijab or man walking around with a beard and topi is to blame if they get beaten up by thugs?"
or "a black person in America in the 1960s whistling at a white woman is to blame if he gets lynched"?

"You" wrote:

You absolutely CAN conclude that all rape victims were not to blame. You should be careful on such a delicate matter.

What you can't conclude in some situations is whether it was rape or not.

Women can be used as a tool by the shaytaan to lure men without them knowing. Now in this case, if she hadnt had those conversations or relationships or whatever the hell you call it she might have not been gang rape because they might not have seen her. Now this is one case where i believe that the victim had a responsibility into her being raped, due to her neglecting islamic morals.

Now you are saying "you absolutely can conclude that all rape victims were not to blame." Surely admin you have the common sense of knowing not every case is the same, like i said in my previous posts concluding things like this can be dangerous because you are generalising and you CANNOT do that, if you said the majority arent to blame well that could be acceptable but to say all arent to blame is out of the question for me.

"Funzo" wrote:

Now you are saying "you absolutely can conclude that all rape victims were not to blame." Surely admin you have the common sense of knowing not every case is the same, like i said in my previous posts concluding things like this can be dangerous because you are generalising and you CANNOT do that, if you said the majority arent to blame well that could be acceptable but to say all arent to blame is out of the question for me.

So, he can't generalise to support an opinion that you disagree with but he can generalise to support an opinion that you agree with?

Being more at risk is NOT the same as deserving it.

Just like crossing a road does not mean you deserve to get run over. Afterall you could have NOT crossed the road!

I can and will generalise when it fits.

Well whether or not i agree with it is another question ive learnt theres always to sides to the argument, can you conclude which side im on?

"You" wrote:

Being more at risk is NOT the same as deserving it.

Just like crossing a road does not mean you deserve to get run over. Afterall you could have NOT crossed the road!

I can and will generalise when it fits.

What if you crossed the road like an idiot, just asking for an accident?

The wrong side?