"malik" wrote:

[b]Iran is a country that helps all beggers, even if they are Americans.[/b]

US is desperate to save face in Iraq after its Senators admitted that we have lost the war. Washington's own Iraq Study Group Report by Hamilton and Baker in 2006 called for Bush to talk to Iran and beg the Ayatollahs for help; and this is what we are finally witnessing. These talks are nothing but a once mighty and proud nation groveling at the feet of Iranians.

Iran is supposed to be a rogue state according to America.
So, the world wants to know what on earth is US doing talking to a "rogue state".
On one hand Bush accuses Iran of killing hundreds of US soldiers in Iraq; and on the other hand, US seeks talks with Iran.

You would have to pitty the plight of Satan.

Even British papers are now openly saying that:
[b]"Washington needs Tehran's help to stabilize Iraq."[/b]

The fact is Satan has is bent before Iran, and Iranians can now do with him as they like. Those with imagination guess the rest.

No no no, not beggars - we are "the Great Satan," your "Sign of Allah" said so! (See your signature). We're the bad guys, evil incarnated, not just "mean people," "monsters," or "[b]a[/b] Satan" we are "[i]the[/i] [b]Great[/b] Satan."

Iran is whoring itself to the Great Satan because it is embarassed nobody likes it, and it wants money. And frankly I think this is the best decision Iran has ever made. It's going to be great!! You'll love it, trust me. You can go and make a pilgrimage to Qum, and while you are there you can have a nice Big Mac at "Disney Land Iran." The best part is you won't even have to speak Farsi since nobody will remember it!

And there are going to so many more Jews! In fact, l bet it won't take a very long time at all before there will be a "first Jewish President of Iran."

Selling out to the Great Satan is definitely the best thing Iran could have done. They can't afford to lose anymore soldiers, it's definitely a far better decision to just accept our money (and hegemony) and put those weapons down.

Good dog, here's a biscuit.

elections in America.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekSxxlj6rGE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Sudw4ghVe8

i wish elections were like that everywhere

ouch Malik :x

but i would rather be an american then an Iranian. America may be the most fattest, dumbest, most hated nation in the world but they do have good porn, best in world actually

:roll: I really hate democracy.

Also, for the love of grammar "most fattest" ??? What the hell do you call that, a super-superlative?

"Ya'qub" wrote:

"Dave" wrote:

A nation of prostitutes

Dave, I understand your point, but aside from foreign policy, what do u know about Iran or Iranians?

In my experience, Iranians are never less than friendly, helpful, kind and generous - and this was the same impression my parents got when they travelled through Iran 25 years ago. They said that Iran was where people were the most hospitable to them out of the 25-30 countries they visited (one of which was the States btw).

just like Syria: crap leader, crap government, wonderful people who live there.

This is going to shock you Ya'qub.

I am Iranian.

That's an actual true fact.

:shock: the plot thickens.....

"Ya'qub" wrote:

:shock: the plot thickens.....

درواقع

Your not Iranian....

did you just right:

dareefa'

as in: 'i don't smoke da reefa'

probably not

that would be FARSICAL (geddit?)

"Seraphim" wrote:

Your not Iranian....

[size=7]*shhhhh*[/size]

"Ya'qub" wrote:

did you just right:

dareefa'

as in: 'i don't smoke da reefa'

probably not

that would be FARSICAL (geddit?)

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 50 points for that one!

I've just gotta say - I am loving my cape. I need to get one of those for real life.

"Dave" wrote:

I've just gotta say - I am loving my cape. I need to get one of those for real life.

havn't you seen The Incredibles? Capes on superheroes are simply not practical...

This is how the newspapers of Great Satan sees the begging by gutless President Bush

Iran spits in face of America, and still Bush comes backs to beg Iran for assisstance in Iraq:

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[b]Why are we rewarding Iran?[/b]

By Jeff Jacoby
Boston Globe Columnist
July 25, 2007

FOUR MONTHS ago, Iranian Revolutionary Guards seized 15 British sailors and marines in the Persian Gulf, and held them hostage for nearly two weeks. They were released only after a stage-managed appearance with Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who freed the captives as "a present to the British people" and was thanked for his "forgiveness" by one of the servicemen.

For this outrage, Tehran was richly rewarded. How richly? Let us count the ways:

[b]It humiliated the British government[/b], which declined to label the abduction of its personnel an act of war or retaliate with anything stronger than press releases. It demonstrated the ease with which it is able to flout international law and civilized norms. It exposed the cravenness of Britain's European allies, which refused London's request for a freeze on exports to Iran. It secured the release of an Iranian "diplomat" being held in Iraq, and allowed Iran access to five members of its paramilitary Quds Force, which trains insurgents to murder Americans, whom US troops in Irbil had arrested in January.

[b]Tehran soon grabbed another set of hostages. Early in May, it arrested four visiting American citizens:[/b]

Haleh Esfandiari, a director of the Woodrow Wilson Center for International Scholars; social scientist Kian Tajbakhsh of the New York-based Open Society Institute; journalist Parnaz Azima of Radio Farda, the Persian-language equivalent of Radio Free Europe; and peace activist Ali Shakeri of the Center for Citizen Peacebuilding at the University of California at Irvine. Iran accuses the four of espionage; all but Azima are being held in Tehran's notorious Evin Prison.

Now, why would Tehran -- already at odds with the United States for sponsoring international terrorism, supporting Iraqi death squads, stoking hatred of the United States, repressing dissidents, and illegally pursuing nuclear weapons -- want to further complicate its relations with Washington? Nearly three decades into a regime one of whose defining characteristics is thuggish criminality, some people are still baffled when the mullahs act like thuggish criminals.

"How Iranian officials can believe they will benefit from Ms. Esfandiari's imprisonment is impossible to understand," a New York Times editorial brooded. But it's no mystery. Tehran takes hostages because it benefits from doing so. The 444-day abduction of US diplomats in 1979 solidified the Khomeini dictatorship's jihadist bona fides and showed that the Great Satan's nose could be bloodied with impunity. Twenty-eight years later, the mullahs find that the seizure of American citizens still pays off nicely. Consider:

The International Atomic Energy Agency reports that Iran's ability to produce weapons-grade uranium is accelerating, and Washington reacts not with fury or alarm, but with an antsy craving for more "engagement" with Tehran. On May 28, the United States holds its first high-level public talks with Iran since 1980, putting a feather in Tehran's cap. On July 18, Esfandiari and Tajbakhsh are dragged before Iranian TV cameras to make coerced "confessions" of guilt. The American response? More high-level talks -- and not for the purpose of demanding the hostages' release. "When US Ambassador Ryan Crocker sits down today for only the second round of direct US-Iranian talks in 27 years," Bloomberg reported yesterday, "there's one issue that won't be on the agenda: the fate of four Iranian-Americans being held against their will in Tehran. US negotiators don't want the detainees to get in the way of their main priorities."

There was a time when Americans seized by international outlaws could expect their government to consider them a priority.

In "Power, Faith, and Fantasy," a sweeping account of America's 230-year involvement in the Middle East, historian Michael Oren recalls the 1904 kidnapping of Ion Perdicaris, a 64-year-old Greek-American expatriate in Morocco. Perdicaris was abducted by gunmen loyal to Ahmad ben Muhammad al-Raisuli, a Berber warlord, who demanded a large ransom and political concessions from the sultan of Morocco. When the sultan refused, writes Oren, President Theodore Roosevelt ordered seven US warships to steam toward the Moroccan coast.

"On the morning of May 30, the gleaming white bow of the battleship Brooklyn was sighted off the shores of Tangier. Soon, a detachment of Marines landed in the port to guard the American consulate, while an additional 1,200 leathernecks prepared to occupy Tangier, if necessary. . . But the move was merely an admonishment, as Roosevelt made clear in a telegram to the sultan: PRESIDENT WISHES EVERYTHING POSSIBLE DONE TO SECURE THE RELEASE OF PERDICARIS. . . . WE WANT PERDICARIS ALIVE OR RAISULI DEAD."

Morocco got the message. Perdicaris was freed.

Granted, threats and gunboat diplomacy are not always wise. But there are times when they are far more effective than "engagement." Faced with the enemy we face -- a hostage-taking, nuke-pursuing, terrorist-sponsoring, apocalypse-invoking, America-hating Iran -- what would TR have done?

Jeff Jacoby's e-mail address is jacoby@globe.com.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/07...

[size=18]Eleven killed in blast near Red Mosque[/size]

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A suicide bomb attack today killed 11 people following renewed violence at Islamabad's Red Mosque, two weeks after an army siege left more than 100 dead.
The blast occurred at a market area about a quarter of a mile from the mosque, where religious students clashed earlier in the day with security forces.

Seven of the victims of the blast were police officers, a government official told the Associated Press.

Before the explosion, police fired teargas to scatter crowds of protesters outside the mosque, the scene of scores of deaths during the siege by government forces earlier this month.

Some of the protesters, who were demanding the return of a pro-Taliban cleric, threw stones at an armoured personnel carrier and at dozens of police in riot gear.
A number of the protesters fled inside the mosque compound after the initial disturbance. A voice on the mosque loudspeaker, of which a small group of religious students appeared to be in control, urged the protesters not to attack the security forces, but the situation remained tense.

The violence spoiled a government attempt to reopen the mosque, which was stormed by the army on July 10 after its pro-Taliban clerics had launched an anti-vice campaign. The government had turned a blind eye until militants seized seven Chinese nationals, precipitating a bloody raid on the mosque.

Earlier, security forces stood by as protesters clambered on to the mosque's roof and daubed red paint on the walls after forcing the retreat of a government-appointed cleric who was assigned to lead Friday prayers.

The protesters demanded the return of the mosque's former chief cleric, Abdul Aziz, who was in government detention, and shouted slogans against the president, General Pervez Musharraf.

"Musharraf is a dog! He is worse than a dog! He should resign!" students shouted.

In an act of defiance against the authorities repainting the mosque this week in pale yellow, protesters wrote "Lal Masjid" (Red Mosque) in large Urdu script on the mosque's dome.

They raised a black flag with two crossed swords, meant to symbolise jihad, or holy war.
(continues...)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,,2136296,00.html

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[b]20 billion dollar Saudi arms package to counter Iran: official[/b]

A 20 billion dollar US arms package for Saudi Arabia calls for missile defenses, early warning systems, air power and naval systems to counter Iran, a senior US defense official said Monday.

The official who briefed reporters traveling with US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the package under consideration is worth at least 20 billion dollars for Saudi Arabia alone, and does not include arms for other Gulf states.

By giving arms, US is trying to get Muslims to fight Muslims.

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BBC Sunday, 29 July 2007

[b]'We blocked US plans' - Hezbollah [/b]

The leader of Hezbollah, Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah, has said its conflict with Israel last year thwarted the United States' vision for a "new Middle East".

In a televised address, he said Israel and the US had wanted to extend Prime Minister Fouad Siniora's authority throughout Lebanon, but had failed.

He also warned that Hezbollah still possessed rockets and would target Israel again if it came under attack.

[b]"This resistance... is today stronger, more powerful, more solid, and more determined to confront the aggression and achieve victory", Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah[/b]

More than 1,000 civilians were killed during the 34-day conflict last summer.

Israel launched its offensive after Hezbollah militants seized two of its soldiers and killed several others during a cross-border raid on 12 July.

Hezbollah claimed a "historic victory" after the conflict ended with a UN-brokered ceasefire on 14 August.

[b]Israeli 'failure' [/b]

In an address broadcast to 5,000 supporters in the southern town of Bint Jbeil, Nasrallah said "the American project was swept aside by the victory of the Islamic Resistance", Hezbollah's military wing.

"This war aimed to impose a new Middle East, broken up into confessional and ethnic mini-states, serving the interests of the United States and Israel," he said.

"The Israelis and Americans wanted the Siniora government to expand its authority to the whole of Lebanon's territory to the detriment of the resistance, but that was another failure."

Hezbollah and the pro-Syrian opposition have been in political deadlock with supporters of the Prime Minister Siniora since November, when they withdrew from the cabinet demanding a unity government in which it would have the power of veto.

Earlier, the French foreign minister, Bernard Kouchner, warned that Lebanon could descend into civil war if the impasse continues.

The Shia cleric also said Hezbollah's fighters had retained their supply of rockets and warned they would target Israel again if the movement came under attack.

"This resistance... is today stronger, more powerful, more solid, and more determined to confront the aggression and achieve victory," he added.

"We will not wait for anyone to defend us. We will defend ourselves and our country."

Sheikh Nasrallah said the Israel would only be able to secure its soldiers' release if it undertook "indirect negotiations and an exchange" of Lebanese prisoners it held.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6920908.stm

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[b]Iran condemns US over Saudi arms deal [/b]

Iran has lashed out at the United States over a proposed arms package for Saudi Arabia and other Arab allies that seeks to counter Iranian influence, saying the deal was aimed at "spreading fear."

Foreign ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini said reports of the deal showed the United States was bent on "spreading fear" in the Middle East to generate better sales for its weapons and munitions.

"The United States has always had special policy of spreading fear in the region and tarnishing existing good relations" between countries in the Middle East, Hosseini said.

"It also wants to spread fear to sell and export its arms to the region and thus it talks about fabricated accusations towards some countries of the region," he added.

US media have reported that the US government is expected to announce arms deals worth at least 20 billion dollars with Saudi Arabia and five other Gulf states.

Meanwhile, Iranian Defence Minister Brigadier General Mostafa Mohammad Najjar also hit out at the US military assistance for Arab states in the Middle East.

"They are trying to create a false arms race, in order to keep their weapon factories up and running and save them from bankruptcy," he said, according to the IRNA agency.

Oman's minister responsible for foreign affairs Yussef bin Alawi bin Abdullah, on a visit to Egypt, said on Sunday Iran did not pose a threat to the Gulf region.

"Iran is a neighbouring state and we have a common interest which is to maintain stability and security in the region," he said.

So many things wrong with this:

"[url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/01/wpole101... wrote:

The Telegraph[/url]"][b]Russia claims North Pole with Arctic flag stunt[/b]

Russia will fire the starting gun on the world’s last colonial scramble today when a submarine plants a flag under the North Pole to symbolize the Kremlin’s claim to the Arctic and its vast energy resources.

In an unprecedented and potentially perilous mission, veteran Arctic explorer Artur Chilingarov will descend 14,000 feet in a deep sea submersible and drop a Russian tricolor cast in titanium onto the seabed.

With Russia’s northern rivals, all eager to extend their own Arctic ambitions, looking on uneasily, two Russian ships reached the North Pole after ploughing their way through deep ice for over a week.

In a nation that, in Soviet times, pioneered Arctic exploration, Mr Chilingarov’s expedition has fired the Russian public’s imagination.

But Mr Chilingarov also caused international concern after declaring that the Arctic and the North Pole were Russian.

Global warming has given renewed impetus to the race for control of the Arctic.

Melting ice sheets could open up the fabled North East passage, the quest for which claimed countless sailors’ lives, for the first time.

The route, which could dramatically cut the length of a journey from Europe to Asia, could become navigable to commercial traffic within eight years.

The more clement conditions make for an equally tantalizing prospect.

According to some estimates, the Arctic is home to a quarter of the world’s untapped energy reserves - now more accessible than they ever have been.

For all Mr Chilingarov’s posturing, his expedition is little more than a public relations stunt designed by the Kremlin to attract public support for Russia’s long held claim to a 463,000 mile chunk of the Arctic - about half the size of Western Europe.

The Kremlin has long believed the territory belonged to Russia - it was marked as such on Soviet maps from the 1920s.

But in 1997, Russia ratified the United Nations Convention on the Laws of the Sea, which limits the five nations on the Arctic Ocean Russia, Norway, Canada, the United States (through Alaska) and Denmark (through Greenland) to 200 miles of territorial waters.

But under the treaty, the five nations are allowed to file claims to a UN commission for greater territory if they can prove that their continental shelves are geographically linked to the Arctic seabed.

In 2001, Russia became the first country to file a claim, arguing that the underwater Lomonosov ridge was not merely a chain of mountains in international waters but was actually an extension of Siberia’s continental shelf.

The commission, however, was not convinced and asked for seismology reports and sonar measurements to support Russia’s submission.

After a six week expedition that ended in June, Russia’s Institute of Ocean Geology maintained it had a vital breakthrough - a claim that prompted Mr Chilingarov to set off on his patriotic mission.

But the institute warned that Russia was still along way off presenting a credible claim, saying it would not be in a position to do so until 2010 at the earliest.

"It would be far fetched to claim at this point that the evidence we have gathered is conclusive,” said Georgy Cherkashev, the institute’s deputy director.

“There is progress in that direction but I would be cautious until the data has been properly processed and analysed.”

Even so, the development has galvanized other Arctic nations into action. Denmark is to submit its own claim and Canada has announced it will build eight armed ships capable of cutting through the ice.

Both countries are also expected to study the Lomonosov Ridge, which runs through Greenland to Canada’s Ellesmere Island.

The area is believed to have up to 10 billion barrels of oil.

Well at least the article gives us a cluse as to why Alaska became part of the USA instead of Canada.

Who would be able to watch this spectacle?

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Wednesday, 1 August 2007, 15:14 GMT 16:14 UK

[b]Iran executes nine more criminals[/b]

The five were left on view before the hangman cut the ropes

Iran has hanged at least nine men convicted for rape, kidnapping and armed robbery, state media reported.

Seven were hanged publicly in two separate locations in the north-eastern city of Mashhad, and two others were executed in south-east Iran.

Rights groups say Iran has one of the highest rates of executions in the world and it is rising.

Execution numbers doubled to 177 in 2006 and so far 143 have been executed in 2007, Amnesty International says.

State media has reported that police recently arrested dozens of drug addicts, smugglers, rapists and murderers during a crackdown on crime and immoral behaviour.

[b]Crowds [/b]

Mashhad chief prosecutor Gholam Hossein Esmaeeli said a group of five were convicted of "rape, kidnapping, theft and committing indecent acts".

"Two others were young males aged 24 and had abducted a woman two years ago where, after stealing her belongings, they raped her," he added.

State television showed the five convicts' bodies hanging from the gallows under a banner saying "Implementing justice = Elevating security".

The footage showed thousands of spectators at the execution held back by iron fencing and a police cordon.

Last week, 12 convicts were hanged simultaneously in Tehran's Evin prison.

[b]Iran hangs judge's killers in public [/b]

REUTERS August 2, 2007

Iran hanged the killers of a judge, who had jailed several reformist dissidents, before a crowd of hundreds of people on Thursday.

Majid Kavousifar and Hossein Kavousifar, his nephew, were hanged in front of Tehran's Ershad judiciary complex, where they shot dead judge Hassan Moghaddas in his car in 2005.

The two were not political activists, but Tehran's public prosecutor said Majid had believed the judge was corrupt. The prosecutor said the killers were also convicted of armed robbery and other murders.

Judge Moghaddas had presided over the jailing of seven dissidents in 2000 after they attended a conference in Berlin on Iranian reform.

Iran has one of the highest rates of execution in the world, but public executions are relatively rare.

Hoods over the heads of the judge's killers were removed before the hangings, which took place from the back of tow trucks in front of a giant portrait of Moghaddas. Hossein looked pale and cried. His uncle smiled and waved goodbye to friends.

Onlookers in the street and on the roofs of houses chanted "Allahu Akbar" (God is Greatest) and took pictures with mobile phones. Some laughed.

"God, please give me back my son," shouted Hossein's tearful mother as she tried to reach his body. He was in his early twenties.

Prosecutor Saeed Mortazavi said: "the two were terrorists."

Dozens of people have been executed for rape, smuggling and other offences in Iran in recent weeks. Most were arrested in a crackdown on "immoral behavior," which began in April.

Iran hanged nine men on Wednesday for rape, armed robbery and other offences. Some 16 people were hanged in July.

Murder, rape, adultery, armed robbery, apostasy and drug smuggling are all punishable by death under Iran's Islamic Sharia law, imposed since the 1979 revolution.

The number of executions doubled to at least 177 last year, according to Amnesty International. Since the beginning of 2007, at least 124 people have been put to death. Western rights groups have called on Iran to abolish the death penalty.

Tuesday, 10 July 2007, 13:41 GMT 14:41 UK

[b]Iran 'adulterer' stoned to death[/b]

The Iranian judiciary says a man has been stoned to death for adultery - the first time it has confirmed such an execution in five years.

Jafar Kiani was executed last week in a village in north-west Qazvin province.

Amnesty International said Mr Kiani and Mokarrameh Ebrahimi, 43, were convicted of adultery more than a decade ago.

The human rights group has appealed for Ms Ebrahimi to be spared. Adultery is a capital offence, punishable by stoning, under Iran's Islamic law.

In 2002, the judiciary suspended the practice.

But Mr Kiani was reportedly executed on 5 July in Aghche Kand.

Mr Kiani and Ms Ebrahimi were said to have been married to others at the time of their arrest.

[b]Buried to waist [/b]

They were sent to Choubin prison, Qazvin, where Ms Ebrahimi is thought to remain with her two children.

Amnesty International UK director Kate Allen said: "To execute anyone by stoning is barbaric and disgraceful. To execute a woman for adultery in this cruel way simply beggars belief.

"Iran should abolish the sentence of stoning once and for all."

Under the punishment of stoning, a male convict is buried up to his waist with his hands tied behind his back, while a female offender is buried up to her neck with her hands also buried.

The stoning brings to at least 110 the number of executions carried out in the Islamic republic so far this year, most of them by hanging and often in public.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6288156.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6926387.stm

"You" wrote:

pffft!

The state of Texas alone probably executes more people than Iran!

(I didn't realise that execution is a good thing... It is a punishment for a crime. I would rather people not commit the crime...)

Not for adultery! The others were convicted of killing a judge, which is obviously a lot more serious.

This event in Minesota looks pretty awful. The search continues but they're not expecting to find more survivors.

assalamu alaikum,

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WASHINGTON: The US presidential candidate Tom Tancredo said that in his opinion the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Madina should be attacked if America is attacked.

The presidential candidate belonging to the Republican Party said in a restaurant that the US should consider attack on the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Madina to save America from nuclear attacks.

He said that in case of nuclear attacks they would decide how to target Mecca and Madina. He said this is the only way to save the US from attacks and through which it can be secured.

It may be mentioned that this is not for the first time that any statement regarding attacks on the sacred cities of the Muslims has been issued from Tom Tancredo. Earlier in 2005 also, he said about attacks on Mecca and Madina.

i don't know the source of this post, read it on a forum. However did a search on the guy in question it turns out tis the truth., he did suggest it, and not just on one occasion either. You can get away with inciting hatred against an entire muslim population and no action is taken in America?

I don't know what would happen if someone such as a presidential candidate made such a comment here in the UK, they sure as hell wouldn;t get to walk away silently. Not with all that's happening coz the government wouldn't want to be seen as having double standards.

"yashmaki" wrote:

assalamu alaikum,

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WASHINGTON: The US presidential candidate Tom Tancredo said that in his opinion the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Madina should be attacked if America is attacked.

The presidential candidate belonging to the Republican Party said in a restaurant that the US should consider attack on the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Madina to save America from nuclear attacks.

He said that in case of nuclear attacks they would decide how to target Mecca and Madina. He said this is the only way to save the US from attacks and through which it can be secured.

It may be mentioned that this is not for the first time that any statement regarding attacks on the sacred cities of the Muslims has been issued from Tom Tancredo. Earlier in 2005 also, he said about attacks on Mecca and Madina.

i don't know the source of this post, read it on a forum. However did a search on the guy in question it turns out tis the truth., he did suggest it, and not just on one occasion either. You can get away with inciting hatred against an entire muslim population and no action is taken in America?

[b]I don't know what would happen if someone such as a presidential candidate made such a comment here in the UK, they sure as hell wouldn;t get to walk away silently.[/b] Not with all that's happening coz the government wouldn't want to be seen as having double standards.

Walikum Asalaam

they did the BNP leader Nick Griffin was cleared for racial hatered against muslims. Everybody knows he is a racist. They had a tv program on once where some dude went undercover. All that evidence that was recorded was passed onto the cops but he got away scott free! (no suprises there)

oh yeah i never thght of him! i was thinking would a hopeful candidate for prime minister get away with such comments or an mp? doubt it, well i'd be shocked if they did.

"Naz" wrote:

"yashmaki" wrote:

assalamu alaikum,

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WASHINGTON: The US presidential candidate Tom Tancredo said that in his opinion the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Madina should be attacked if America is attacked.

The presidential candidate belonging to the Republican Party said in a restaurant that the US should consider attack on the sacred Muslim cities of Mecca and Madina to save America from nuclear attacks.

He said that in case of nuclear attacks they would decide how to target Mecca and Madina. He said this is the only way to save the US from attacks and through which it can be secured.

It may be mentioned that this is not for the first time that any statement regarding attacks on the sacred cities of the Muslims has been issued from Tom Tancredo. Earlier in 2005 also, he said about attacks on Mecca and Madina.

i don't know the source of this post, read it on a forum. However did a search on the guy in question it turns out tis the truth., he did suggest it, and not just on one occasion either. You can get away with inciting hatred against an entire muslim population and no action is taken in America?

[b]I don't know what would happen if someone such as a presidential candidate made such a comment here in the UK, they sure as hell wouldn;t get to walk away silently.[/b] Not with all that's happening coz the government wouldn't want to be seen as having double standards.

Walikum Asalaam

they did the BNP leader Nick Griffin was cleared for racial hatered against muslims. Everybody knows he is a racist. They had a tv program on once where some dude went undercover. All that evidence that was recorded was passed onto the cops but he got away scott free! (no suprises there)

he wasn't cleared of being racist. he was cleared of [b]inciting violence[/b]

no he was cleared for inciting racial hatered.

Read the words in the title. If you still dont believe me read the whole article.

[url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article725723.ece[/url]
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/4416523.stm[/url]

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[b]VIRUS LEAKED FROM US LAB

Foot and mouth came from American research centre three miles from farm outbreak[/b]

Merial: An American pharmaceutical company appears to be responsible for the foot and mouth outbreak in Britain

By SIMON WALTERS

The Mail on Sunday, 5th August 2007

An American pharmaceutical company appeared to be responsible for the foot and mouth outbreak in Britain.

Merial, which makes foot-and-mouth vaccines and has a laboratory three miles from the Surrey farm hit by the disease, dramatically agreed to stop production immediately.

The breakthrough came after Defra experts established that the strain of foot and mouth disease found in cattle at the infected farm at Wanborough is similar to the virus isolated in the 1967 outbreak in Britain.

"It is most similar to strains used in vaccine production, including at the Pirbright site shared by Merial and the Institute of Animal Health," said a Defra statement, adding that this particular strain was used in a batch of vaccine made by Merial last month.

A Defra spokesman said the focus of an investigation would be that the virus was airborne.

Defra hopes that if the virus was inhaled only by the 64 cows which were culled at the farm, the outbreak may be contained and will not spread beyond a three-kilometre exclusion zone set up around the farm.

After the breakthrough in identifying the virus, Chief Veterinary Officer Debby Reynolds ordered that a new, single ten kilometre protection zone be created encompassing both the infected farm and the Pirbright complex.

Experts from the Health and Safety Executive are today investigating the Pirbright site and Enivornment Secretary Hilary Benn has commissioned a review of biosecurity arrangements led by Professor Brian Spratt of Imperial College, London University.

Protection and surveillance zones set up around the infected farm were last night extended to include the Pirbright site.

Bans on the movement of cows, sheep and pigs and the export of cloven-hoofed animals and animal products remain in force across the country.

Mr Benn told BBC News 24's Sunday: "The important thing to bear in mind is that this is a promising lead, but we don't know for sure and therefore it is very, very important that people continue to be vigilant.

"All the measures that we put in place on Friday evening remain in place."

Mr Ainsworth said suggestions the virus leaked from Pirbright were "very worrying indeed".

He told Sky News: "This is a world-class establishment. It is a repository of information and resource for around the world and to think that foot and mouth leaked out of it in some way is almost unthinkable, really.

"I am worried about reports we have seen in recent months about funding cuts to the Institute and remarks made by the director of the IAH saying he is being asked to run a Rolls-Royce service on the budget of a Ford Cortina. That might have something to do with it.

"It is also entirely possible at this stage that the private company on the site may have something to do with it. The important thing is that an independent inquiry has been launched and the truth will out."

Defra said there would also be an urgent independent review into biosecurity arrangements at the complex, led by Professor Brian Spratt of Imperial University. It will report to Benn.

The development followed 24 hours of crisis talks involving Prime Minister Gordon Brown and veterinary experts.

Merial is owned by U.S. pharmaceutical giant Merck and shares research facilities at Pirbright with the publicly-funded Animal Health Institute.

If the initial findings of the inquiry set up by Mr Brown prove to be accurate, Merial is likely to face tough sanctions from the Government.

The company prepared vaccines during the 2001 foot-and-mouth outbreak in Britain, in which millions of cattle and sheep were culled.

But the Government decided not to use them – a policy which remains in force.

The research complex at Pirbright stores vast quantities of lethal viruses which are supposed to be kept according to strict safety standards.

After the farm in Wanborough was infected, Ministers were initially told by the Government's senior scientific experts that there were three possible explanations for the outbreak: A leak from the Pirbright complex, infected imported pig feed used on a neighbouring farm, or an infection spread by terrorists – though MI5 sources played down this last theory.

The nightmare prospect of a return to the culling of millions of cattle and sheep in the 2001 foot-and-mouth crisis loomed after the new outbreak was confirmed on Friday night at the cattle farm believed to be owned by the Pride family, who have lived in the area for years.

All animal exports were banned immediately and the movement of cattle, pigs, sheep and goats was stopped nationwide.

The Mail on Sunday has learned that safety standards at the world-renowned institute were challenged by MPs last year.

The all-party Science and Technology Committee said that Government cuts had led to highly sensitive work being carried out on the cheap by PhD students.

This newspaper obtained further circumstantial evidence raising concern over the Pirbright institute. It was held responsible for a similar local foot-and-mouth outbreak in the Fifties.

Early this week the wind was blowing in a southerly direction from the complex towards the infected farm. The disease has a three to five-day incubation period. First sign of the disease was reported on Thursday.

Sources said there had been no cattle movements on or off the farm since July 12 – too long ago for that to have caused the outbreak. That appeared to be a further clue that the virus may have been carried by the wind.

The outbreak prompted a series of alarms throughout the South East. Two reported cases in Reigate, 30 miles from Pirbright, one in Reading and one in Chelmsford all tested negative.

Liberal Democrat spokesman Chris Huhne said: "For the sake of the farming community and their peace of mind, it is essential there is no doubt about the biosecurity measures operating at the Pirbright complex."

Mr Brown cut short his holiday hours after arriving in Dorset and was back at his No10 desk by 7am Saturday.

He chaired a meeting of the Cobra civil emergency group, the third time it has been convened since he became Prime Minister less than six weeks ago, following the terrorist attacks in London and Glasgow and the recent floods.

Chief Vet Ms Reynolds later made it clear that initially the animal research operations at Pirbright were at the centre of the Government's investigations.

She said: "Pirbright has been asked to review its biosecurity arrangements."

Defra officials in blue boiler suits and plastic gloves began the slaughter of cows at the farm.

Sixty-four animals were destroyed and dumped into special compounds.

A small number of sheep and goats were also killed "as a precaution".

The funeral pyres of 2001 may be distant memories but the shots that thudded through the summer sky on Saturday afternoon were horribly real and horribly present. Each left in its wake an eerie pocket of silence.

The carcasses are understood to be bound for incineration in Frome, Somerset, about 80 miles away, and were due to be transported in specially sealed vehicles.

Agricultural shows in Northumberland and Cumbria have been cancelled and there will be no livestock at shows in Norfolk, Shropshire and Lancashire.

Woburn Safari Park was shut and shows as far away as Aberdeenshire have had restrictions put on them.

Farmers have been told they cannot export "susceptible" live animals to other EU countries.

Meat and other animal products, such as milk and hides from susceptible species, cannot be exported until at least Monday when further guidance is issued.

Wanborough families identified Derrick Pride and his son Roger as the owners of the herd in the crisis.

They have an organic meat shop at Elstead, ten miles away.

Derrick Pride refused to comment. But neighbour Eve Deary said: "Roger is loved in the village and I'm sure everyone will rally around and support him.

"He is an easy-going guy but I know he will be devastated."

[b]190,000 weapons 'missing in Iraq' [/b]

The US military cannot account for 190,000 AK-47 assault rifles and pistols given to the Iraqi security forces, an official US report says.
The Government Accountability Office (GAO) says the Pentagon cannot track about 30% of the weapons distributed in Iraq over the past three years.

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[b]US arms in Iraqi insurgents' hands [/b]

Mon, 06 Aug 2007 11:03:33

The Pentagon cannot account for 190,000 military rifles and pistols supplied to newly organized Iraq army units and security forces.

The US government report raised concerns that weapons provided by the United States could be falling into the hands of Iraqi insurgents, just as lawmakers and policymakers in Washington await a September report on the success of US President George W. Bush's 'surge' strategy for stabilizing Baghdad.

The disclosure, made in a report released by the Government Accountability Office, comes ahead of a crucial review of US military operations that may pave the way for a reassessment of the US role in the violence-ravaged country.

The GAO said the Pentagon concurred with its findings and has begun a review to ensure full accountability for the program to train and equip Iraqi forces.

"However, our review of the 2007 property books found continuing problems with missing and incomplete records," the GAO report said.

One senior Pentagon official told The Washington Post some weapons probably were being used against US troops. He said an Iraqi brigade created in Fallujah disintegrated in 2004 and began fighting American soldiers.

The top US military commander in the country, General David Petraeus, and US Ambassador Ryan Crocker are scheduled to report to Congress by mid-September on whether efforts to halt sectarian violence and return Iraq to stability were bearing any fruit.

Great Satan is about to lose in Iraq and run away defeat from the holy land.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6932710.stm