I am learning tajweed. I've been doing it for a while now and I can (just about) recite the Qu'ran, alhamdulillah.

I can't, however, understand about 98% of it so I use a translation aswell. Insha'Allah my Arabic language will come next,

Are there any online resources for tajweed? where one can take their time?

I learnt a bit, but it needs brushing up. Just don't want to attend any formal classes or anything as I find them boring.

"Admin" wrote:

Are there any online resources for tajweed? where one can take their time?

I learnt a bit, but it needs brushing up. Just don't want to attend any formal classes or anything as I find them boring.

the best thing I can think of is the Qur'an recitation on Islamway.com, because its quite slow, and breaks the Surahs down to individual verses, so you can listen to the exact pronunctiation of words.

Its not exactly a course, but I've noticed a link on the wesite to something like 'learn how to recite the Qur'an' or similar.

The best thing for me is to learn from a friend who knows Tajweed, insha'Allah. You can simply go through the Qu'ran with them and they can correct you as you go along.

Or even better, there is a series of books from South-East Asia called 'Iqra' which start from the Arabic alphabet and lead all the way to long, complex Surahs. You will still need a teacher, but I found these books invaluable.

As I don't think they're available in Britain, let me know if you're interested and I can post you a photocopy, insha'Allah.

I havent learnt my tajweed.

Its been on my 'to do list' for years. :oops:

for Tajweed there are a whole range of self study books available, which are accompanied by cassetes or audio cds. U really dunt need a teacher for Tajweed. Jus buy one of these guides with audio and when you listen to the audio, repeat after it, and your tajweed will get better and better. Also its good to listen to quran recitation by someone with good tajweed.

Once you think you learnt a good amount, go to a teacher and read a bit of quran to them, and they can iron out ya mistakes. Its easy to learn really.

I'm currently learning tajweed. I actually started about a year ago, but to be fair I've only been to about 15 lessons and they are only 20 minutes long.

I have to say it has made me realise how so amazing and beautiful the arabic language is. And just how complex. I find it absolutely fascinating and could talk and talk and talk about all that I've learnt.

I still can't say ain properly and the first hahh. I know the sound should come from the middle of my throat, I just don't know where that is! Anyone else struggle with that? When I first started learning, I'd always listen to Sami Yusuf's Eid Song before my lesson - it really helped with the ain sound. I struggled with the noon as well at first, but I can feel the 'vibration' in my nose now when I say it. I'm currently learning about izhaar and idghaam and something else, but I can't remember.

I was taught the Quran, but like FHPE said it was the pakistani patti version. I then didn't even know the difference between the zabr and the kali zabr. One really difficult thing is re-learning everything you know off by heart again but with tajweed this time. I need to catch up on that. I haven't even learnt my whole salah yet in proper tajweed, but I'm still learning the different rules, so I'm waiting till I know a bit more, coz otherwise I'll be re-learning it again and again.

I find you really need to read it out aloud at first to make sure you get the pronunciation right otherwise in your head it sounds always sounds right, but actually saying it, it sounds really different. I have bought about 5 books on tajweed but to be honest I havent found them that helpful, it is extremely difficult to understand or explain sound. I refer to them, but I know for sure that I wouldn't have picked up much from just books alone. I find it really helps to hear the sound you are aiming for. I tried to get hold of something on tape or CD but the ones I saw I didn't think were that extensive.

"Imaani" wrote:

I still can't say ain properly and the first hahh. I know the sound should come from the middle of my throat, I just don't know where that is!

it should be like when you eat really hot food (temperature-wise, not spicy food), and it burns your mouth, that sounds similar to the way you start to say hahh. but it wasn't the first hahh that gave me problems, it was the second, 'more conventional' sounding one! i think its cos my parents are scottish, and we say all our 'H's like that! rolling my 'R's for rauh was really difficult and the 'nasal' sound for a nun and mim still give me problems too.

Apparantly you can get diagrams of the mouth that shows exactly what part of the tongue you use for each letter. Allah gave me a really good teacher, so it was much easier for me, alhamdulillah.

I suppose you can learn from a book and tape, but I think it would probably be more difficult and might take longer. The good thing about having a teacher is that it gives you much more reason to practice. If I had been left to my own devices I'm sure I wouldn't have used my own initiative to practice at all.

"Admin" wrote:

Are there any online resources for tajweed? where one can take their time?

I learnt a bit, but it needs brushing up. Just don't want to attend any formal classes or anything as I find them boring.

http://www.abouttajweed.com is pretty good

"Imaani" wrote:

When I first started learning, I'd always listen to Sami Yusuf's Eid Song before my lesson

haha thats cute! May Allah swt make it easy for you. Ameen.
Ive always noted Sami has a good pronounciation too mashaAllah

I didnt realise how detailed tajweed really was until i actually began learning it - there are 45 rules altogether!! :shock:

i know what you mean about re-learning the Qur'an though - although ive never had a problem with Arabic pronounciation alhamdulilah, i found myself REALLY thinking and taking my time to read everything much more s-l-o-w-l-y - it allows you to really ponder on exactly what you are saying

i feel learning from a teacher is almost essential, they can point out your mistakes and correct them accordingly - it would make learning easier and faster.. Only problem ive found is that there arent many places where you can learn tajweed one-on-one :?
Some things are almost impossible to learn from a book - theory is different from practical application..

Another pointer is buying a Qur'an with the tajweed rules pointed out ([url=http://www.simplyislam.com/iteminfo.asp?item=54564] like this one[/url]) - this really helps, but the danger here is that you become reliant on the rules being pointed out to you..

and on a side note, if you need any motivation, watch the little kids reciting the Quran with correct tajweed on Islam channel (Qirat competition) - if that doesnt shame you into learning more, then i dont know what will :o

You just reminded me of hours of pain trying to learn 'Ssad', 'Ddad', 'Tta' and 'Dtha'!

They're all essentially the same, so once you can say one of them, you should be able to say them all.

[To demonstrate just how difficult it is to explain tajweed in words, I will now attempt it (!)]:

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Ssad: You start by needing to pinch your cheeks and lips together like you're blowing a kiss, then you stick your tongue out ever-so-slightly, then say the word 'saw' (as in see-saw). If you've ever heard a child who can't whistle try to whistle, then thats a similar sound to the one you will make while you try to say 'saw' while blowing kisses!!!!

Ddad: Now pinch your cheeks and lips together again, in the same manner as before, and say 'door', except the 'D' sound will come from further forward in your your mouth [from your lips instead of your teeth] than it does when you say the english word 'door'.

Tta: now pinch your cheeks and lips again, and say 'tour', again saying the 'T' sound from the front of your mouth like before.

Dtha: now, finally, pinch your cheeks and lips together again, and try to say 'Thor' (with a 'Th' sound as in the word 'that' or 'the', not 'thick' or 'thin' or the Norse god also called 'Thor'!).

n.b. All these descriptions are for the above letters with a fatha above them and with no other symbols.

Congratulations, you can now chat Tajweed with the best of them!

The absolutey MOST difficult sounds to make are when you have to say Tta, Dtha, 'Ain or Ghain with a Damma above it, when it is before a Nun or a Waw with a Shadda above it:

"Tu'iin'na, Dthu'iin'na, 'U'iinna, Ghu'iin'na, Tu'iiw'wa, Dthu'iiw'wa, 'U'iiw'wa, 'Ghu'iiw'wa"

Something like that....

"FHPE" wrote:

"Imaani" wrote:

One really difficult thing is re-learning everything you know off by heart again but with tajweed this time

you can say that again.....according to a friend of mine who is a qari, I used to massacre the pronounciation of some words when reading the Qur'aan..I have only just learned how to read surah al fatiha and a few of the very small surahs ..... again :!:

Same here, I only really know surah fatiha and surah ikhlas in tajweed, but with surah ikhlaas I really struggle to do that qalqala/echo thing with the dhaal - that is sooo hard! My teacher says I always add a zabr on it, when the echo needs to belong to the original sound - anyone have any tips?

About the massacre of pronunciation, I remember telling my teacher I didn't know the difference between the two kaafs, I used to say kaaf and kiyaaf, and the sound was same for both! She told me about the example of the word kalbun and qulban - I forgotten which is which, but one means heart and the other dog. :shock:

"Ya'qub" wrote:

"Imaani" wrote:

I still can't say ain properly and the first hahh. I know the sound should come from the middle of my throat, I just don't know where that is!

it should be like when you eat really hot food (temperature-wise, not spicy food), and it burns your mouth, that sounds similar to the way you start to say hahh. but it wasn't the first hahh that gave me problems, it was the second, 'more conventional' sounding one! i think its cos my parents are scottish, and we say all our 'H's like that! rolling my 'R's for rauh was really difficult and the 'nasal' sound for a nun and mim still give me problems too.

I asked my younger brother about the hahh (he was taught with tajweed right from the beginning in his mosque) and he said pretty much the same thing as you. He said it's the sound you'd make if you touched a hot pan and burnt your hand. The problem with me is I tend to pull the face and flinch as well too, lol.

Yep the rauh is quite difficult too - I can't do that properly without going a bit OTT while rolling the R.

I couldn't do the nun at first, and still struggle when it's within a word. My brother told me to say mmmmmmmmm, not softly but quite rough and harsh and then say nun/meem straight after. I can only do it like that.

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Apparantly you can get diagrams of the mouth that shows exactly what part of the tongue you use for each letter. Allah gave me a really good teacher, so it was much easier for me, alhamdulillah.

Yeah my books have got diagrams, but it's still really difficult. With some letters I found the diagrams made it more difficult than it actually is.
When my teacher taught me she didn't go from the beginning of the alphabet to the end as I'd expected. She grouped the letters depending on how the tongue was to be used and went through the alphabet a group at a time. That really helped me alot, I thought it would be difficult that way, but I would say I think it's the best way to teach it.

"FHPE" wrote:

Who can pronounce "ddaad" properly..........even writing it properly in english is not easy if not impossible.....!!!!!

I thought brother Ya'qub's description was a bit complex!

This is how my teacher taught me:
She says you need to say it with a full mouth while moving your tongue to the left inside your mouth.
To explain what I mean by full mouth........... the letter tha you begin to say with your tongue touching the back of your two front teeth. That is said with an empty mouth. But when you say the letter thoaah, it is said in the exact same way, but with a full mouth. That's the only real difference between those two letters.
In the same way ddaad should be said with a full mouth not an empty mouth, and as you're saying it move your tongue to the left. Hope that helps.

"Imaani" wrote:

"FHPE" wrote:

Who can pronounce "ddaad" properly..........even writing it properly in english is not easy if not impossible.....!!!!!

I thought brother Ya'qub's description was a bit complex!

I know! I didn't mean for it to be at first, but as I re-read what I had written, I started to intentionally make it sound extra complicated, in my cleverly disguised way of encouraging people to go to a teacher of Tajweed instead of trying to learn solely from books!!

Lol. I too think it's better to be taught by a teacher than learning from a book. Having said that there were no tajweed lessons for girls over the age of 15 where I live, plenty for boys, but absolutely nothing for girls. Actually there was this one lady who taught older women, but it was sort of specifically aimed for the older women, all her students were in their forties or so. Probably due to the time of the lessons - 3pm on weekdays. most young girls are at college/uni/work at that time and the younger women need to pick their kids up from school. The lack of lessons is how I acquired my 5 books on tajweed - I bought 1, thought it didn't help much so bought another, still struggled so bought another etc, etc.

My teacher is fantastic. I know a lady who sends her young child to read to her and asked her to ask the teacher if she could give me some lessons as I really wanted to learn and was struggling to find anyone to teach me. I get one on one tuitition, but the lessons aren't really regular. She won't accept any payment at all, so she really is doing me such a huge favour. And I am very grateful. She knows I'm really enthusiastic about learning, I ask loads of questions and I think she finds that rewarding as she knows I really appreciate it. I was worried she may not want to teach me for long, but she herself has talked about me reading the whole Quran to her. But I'm only on the 2nd spara!! I'm actually thinking of working part time just so that I can complete my tajweed lessons. A brother did say to me that if I can guarantee about 10 sisters wanting to learn he would be willing to teach us. But you know what people are like, they say they'll come but back out when the time comes. He says they had lessons for girls previous, but hardly any were turning up, so because of the non-mahrem issue they were cancelled. He says if there are about 10 girls then maybe at least 3 would turn up each lesson. Plus I think I'd be a bit more comfortable learning from a sister. Problem is there aren't that many women who know tajweed, we really need more women teachers of Islam.

"Imaani" wrote:

with surah ikhlaas I really struggle to do that qalqala/echo thing with the dhaal - that is sooo hard! My teacher says I always add a zabr on it, when the echo needs to belong to the original sound - anyone have any tips?

i don't know what you mean by 'zabr'. I don't know of any letters/symbols called zabr.

But anyway, with Surah Ikhlas (get ready for another incomprehensible lesson from Ya'qub!):

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I started by doing the Qalqala completely over the top (deliberately), so the surah actually sounded like (bismillah-hir rahman-nir rahim) 'Qul huwAllah hu aHadder (rhymes with ladder) etc,'

Once I was used to saying this with the over-the-top pronunctiation, I slowly took the emphasis out of the Dal.

For example:

Try saying 'Der' (as in ladder, murder, builder)

Now say it again but only breath out when you're making the 'D' consonant sound.

Now it should just sound like 'De-' or even 'D-'

After practicing this for atleast three and a half hours (!), you should now be ready to return to reciting Surah al-Ikhlas

This time, over-pronounce each word like before: 'Qul huwAllah hu aHadder', but don't breathe out when saying the 'der' at the end:

'Qul huwAllah hu aAhadde-'

or even:

'Qul huwAllah hu aAhadd-'

Eventually (after about 6 weeks or so!), you will now be allowed to pronounce correctly, but consult with your teacher because what I just said is probably completely wrong. Insha'Allah you won't return to adding 'zabr' to it (whatever that may be).

"Imaani" wrote:

My teacher is fantastic. I know a lady who sends her young child to read to her and asked her to ask the teacher if she could give me some lessons as I really wanted to learn and was struggling to find anyone to teach me. I get one on one tuitition, but the lessons aren't really regular. She won't accept any payment at all, so she really is doing me such a huge favour. And I am very grateful. She knows I'm really enthusiastic about learning, I ask loads of questions and I think she finds that rewarding as she knows I really appreciate it.

If you dont mind me asking, where abouts does she teach, my usual teacher has gone abroad for a while and ive been looking for someone to replace her for a while..

"Ya'qub" wrote:

i don't know what you mean by 'zabr'. I don't know of any letters/symbols called zabr.

Zabr is the Urdu way of saying the tarteel of either Fatha or Kasra (i didnt learn the Urdu zair or zabr etc so i cant tell you which one is which!)
Fatha = line above
kasra = line below

btw, heres a good site which lists ALL of the tajweed rules (at the end it has a diagram showing you where the sounds of each Arabic letter comes from in the mouth/throat (makhraj): [url=http://www.as-sidq.org/download/Tajweed.pdf]Tajweed Rules[/url]

"Ya'qub" wrote:

i don't know what you mean by 'zabr'. I don't know of any letters/symbols called zabr.

Sis Amal is right, it is the fatha.

I guess I say it with a shadd on it - my teacher calls that a tashdeed.

"Ya'qub" wrote:

But anyway, with Surah Ikhlas (get ready for another incomprehensible lesson from Ya'qub!):

That has really helped...a lot!! Thanks so much bro!

Unfortunately for you, I think I may have a few more questions for you now!

"Amal" wrote:

"Imaani" wrote:

My teacher is fantastic. I know a lady who sends her young child to read to her and asked her to ask the teacher if she could give me some lessons as I really wanted to learn and was struggling to find anyone to teach me. I get one on one tuitition, but the lessons aren't really regular. She won't accept any payment at all, so she really is doing me such a huge favour. And I am very grateful. She knows I'm really enthusiastic about learning, I ask loads of questions and I think she finds that rewarding as she knows I really appreciate it.

If you dont mind me asking, where abouts does she teach, my usual teacher has gone abroad for a while and ive been looking for someone to replace her for a while..

I live in the East Midlands - without being exact, is that close?
I have two friends who want to learn too, so I asked my teacher and she said she'd let me know when she has time. Unfortunately, she hasn't got back to me yet. My last lesson was in November...!!! She went to India, then onto Hajj, and then back to India. She's a brilliant teacher, but I myself am looking to go part time to see if I can make those 3pm lessons with the other teacher.

"Amal" wrote:

btw, heres a good site which lists ALL of the tajweed rules (at the end it has a diagram showing you where the sounds of each Arabic letter comes from in the mouth/throat (makhraj): [url=http://www.as-sidq.org/download/Tajweed.pdf]Tajweed Rules[/url]

That's looks really good but the arabic isn't showing on my computer

The Arabic doesn't show on my computer either. But on page 21 there is quite a good diagram.

I don't think its enough just to look at the diagram, but since, I've been taught (Alhamdulillah), its quite useful. Its sligthly different from how I say some of the letters though: I say 'Kaf' at the roof of the mouth (at the top, above the letters that are highlighted green), and 'Tta' and 'Dtha' further forward in my mouth, between the lips. I'm not saying its wrong, its probably more accurate than the way I say it.

I think people's mouths develop a bit differently according to their mother-tongue. For example Japanese people have a consonant sound somewhere between 'L' and 'R'. Also, I know many English people have a lot of trouble when they start to learn Tajweed trying to say the sound 'Khaa', but I never really struggled with this because the Scottish have the same sound in words like 'loch' etc.

If remember trying to teach my Arabian friend how to say 'P' properly. Because there is no sound like this in Arabic, it was almost impossible for him. When you go to an Arab country you will notice that Pepsi is called 'Bebsi'!!

i learnt tajweed many years ago

i may not be very knowldgeable in islam

but i know my tajweed

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Imaani wrote:

"Ya'qub" wrote:

"Imaani" wrote:

I still can't say ain properly and the first hahh. I know the sound should come from the middle of my throat, I just don't know where that is!

it should be like when you eat really hot food (temperature-wise, not spicy food), and it burns your mouth, that sounds similar to the way you start to say hahh. but it wasn't the first hahh that gave me problems, it was the second, 'more conventional' sounding one! i think its cos my parents are scottish, and we say all our 'H's like that! rolling my 'R's for rauh was really difficult and the 'nasal' sound for a nun and mim still give me problems too.

I asked my younger brother about the hahh (he was taught with tajweed right from the beginning in his mosque) and he said pretty much the same thing as you. He said it's the sound you'd make if you touched a hot pan and burnt your hand. The problem with me is I tend to pull the face and flinch as well too, lol.

lol