Hello! [can anyone help??]
I'm going to go to college/sixth form next year and I'm applying to two girls colleges and the rest are mixed but does anyone know what Islam says on the education of girls like is it better to go to the girls campus' [I go to a girl school btw] even though the buildings arent as nice and the course choices arent as varied and they dont do a subject you want as opposed to the mixed ones where they do the actual courses??v.confused....!
Girls vs Mixed college??
Published by PrincessMuslimah on 29 November, 2010 - 19:15
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Find out which has the better teaching/results etc.
Colleges are tools, you can good good in the mixed college or bad in the segregated one.
Ofcourse there will be benefits and drawbacks of both options, so your best option is to find out which is better in quality of teaching. For the rest, you can control your own actions, avoid the abd stuff in either environment.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I agree with You
Asalaam alaikum.... Islam does not encourage freemixing. It's haraam to study with the opposite gender.
ISLAM DOES NOT ENCOURAGE FREE MIXING....the word I would highlight is ENCOURAGE. This shows that although it is not encourage for various reasons does not make it become HARAM to study with the opposite sex.
If you stick to your claim about it being haram,please can you bring forward some proof which CLEARLY STATES THAT IT IS HARAM!
If you FEEL it is haram then thats a different issue right there.
Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.
Mufti sahb, when making a fatwa, it is generally considered a good idea to present the evidence to go with it.
(As pointed out, even if it is not encouraged, that is not the same as haraam)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Gladly
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Free intermixing of men and women
From `Abdul `Aziz ibn `Abdullah Ibn Baz to whoever may receive it. May Allah guide us to do good and to avoid Bid`ah (innovation in religion) and evil. As-salamu `alaykum warahmatullah wabarakatuh (May Allah’s Peace, Mercy, and Blessings be upon you!).
It is my duty to alert people and warn them against the free intermixing of women and non-Mahram (people who are not a spouse or an unmarriageable relative) in some places and villages. Some ignorant people see that it is all right, being the tradition of their fathers and grandfathers and that their intention is good. One may find a woman sitting with her brother-in-law, cousins, and relatives without a veil.
It is well-known that a Muslim woman should be veiled in the presence of Ajanib (men lawful for the woman to marry). It is Wajib (obligatory) upon her to cover her face and body as indicated by the Qur’an, the Sunnah, and the Ijma` (consensus of scholars). Allah (may He be Glorified and Exalted) says,Surah Al-Nur, 24: 31 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things), and protect their private parts (from illegal sexual acts) and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, head-cover, apron, etc.), and to draw their veils all over Juyûbihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) ,Surah AlAhzab, 33: 53 And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen: that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. and,Surah AlAhzab, 33: 59 O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allâh is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Jilbab [translated above as 'cloak', and it means 'a loose outer garment with no front opening'] is a cloak worn over
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the veil, like an `Aba’ah (a loose outer garment). Umm Salamah (may Allah be pleased with her) said, “When this Ayah (Qur’anic verse) was revealed, the women of Al-Ansar (Helpers, inhabitants of Madinah who supported the Prophet) came out as if they had crows on their heads out of calmness and they were covered with black clothes.”
These noble Ayahs provide clear evidence that a woman should cover her head, hair, neck and breasts before non-Mahram relatives. It is Haram (prohibited) for her to uncover before non-Mahrams. It is reported that when the Prophet (peace be upon him) ordered women to go out to the place of performing Salat-ul-`Eid (the Festival Prayer), one of them said, “O Messenger of Allah, what if she does not have a Jilbab?” He replied, “Then, let her sister lend her one of her Jilbabs.” (Related by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)This Hadith shows that the wives of the Sahabah (Companions of the Prophet) only went out while wearing a Jilbab. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) did not allow them to go out without wearing a Jilbab.
Itis authentically reported in the Two Sahih (authentic) Books of Hadith (i.e. Al-Bukhari and Muslim)on the authority of `Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) that she said, The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) used to offer the Fajr Prayer and some believing women, covered with their cloaks, used to attend the prayer. Then, they would return to their homes unrecognized by anyone because of the darkness.” She also said, Had the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) seen women [how they go out] as we see (now), he would have prevented them from going to the Masjids (Mosques) as the Children of Israel prevented their women. This Hadith implies that covering was the practice of the female Sahabah who were the best and most honored generation in the Sight of Allah (may He be Glorified and Exalted) for their high morals, good manners, perfect faith and upright deeds. They are an ideal example for others.
It is reported on the authority of `Aishah (may Allah be pleased with her) that she said, Caravans would pass by us when we accompanied the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) while we were in the state of Ihram (ritual state for Hajj and `Umrah). When they came by us, one of us would let down her outer garment from her head over her face, and when they had passed on, we would uncover our faces.” (Related by Ahmad, Abu Dawud and Ibn Majah)Her saying lends support to the fact that women have to cover their faces because women should uncover their faces in the state of Ihram and if there was not a strong reason, they should have kept it uncovered.
Thinking about unveiling as well as women showing their faces to Ajanib, it is evident that
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it involves many bad consequences, such as Fitnah (temptation) which occurs because of displaying her face and it is one of the greatest causes of evil and corruption, losing shyness and arousing men’s lust. Thus, it is prohibited for a woman to uncover her face, bosom, arms, legs or any part of her body, in the presence of an Ajnaby. Likewise, it is forbidden for a woman to be alone with or to intermix freely with non-Mahrams. If a woman thinks that she is equal to men in uncovering her face and going around unveiled, she will not be modest and will not feel too shy to mix with men. This leads to a great deal of Fitnah and widespread corruption.
It is reported that When the Prophet (peace be upon him) was coming out of the Masjid, he saw men intermixing freely with women in the street. He (peace be upon him) said (addressing women), “Draw back, for you must not walk in the middle of the road; keep to the sides of the road.” Women were keeping so close to the walls that their garments were rubbing against it. This Hadith was mentioned by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (exegesis) of Allah’s saying,Surah Al-Nur, 24: 31 And tell the believing women to lower their gaze (from looking at forbidden things) It is prohibited for a Muslim woman to uncover her face before a non-Mahram. She should rather cover it. It is also prohibited for her to be in privacy, intermix freely, and shake hands with non-Mahrams. In the following Ayah, Allah (may He be Glorified and Exalted) clarifies the group of people in front of whom she is permitted to reveal her adornment,Surah Al-Nur, 24: 31 … and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband’s fathers, their sons, their husband’s sons, their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islâm), or the (female) slaves whom their right hands possess, or old male servants who lack vigor, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex. And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And all of you beg Allâh to forgive you all, O believers, that you may be successful.
Brothers-in-law and cousins
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are not Mahrams. They should not look at the woman’s face and it is not permissible for her to uncover her face in their presence to avoid causes of temptation. It is reported on the authority of `Uqbah ibn `Amir (may Allah be pleased with him) that he said that the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said, “Beware of entering upon women.” Then, a man from Ansar said, “O Messenger of Allah! What about Al-Hamu (the wife’s in-law, i.e. the brother of her husband or his nephew, etc.)?” The Prophet (peace be upon him) replied, “Al-Hamu is like death.” (Agreed upon by Al-Bukhari and Muslim)The Hadith refers especially to the [male] in-laws for they can enter the house without any suspicion, because they are the husband’s relatives even though they are non-Mahrams. Therefore, it is not permissible for a woman to reveal her adornment before them even if they are known for righteousness and trustworthiness. Allah (may He be Exalted) has limited permissibility of showing adornment to a group of people mentioned in the previous Ayah. The husband’s brother, uncle, cousin and the like are not mentioned in this group. The Prophet (peace be upon him) saidin an agreed-upon Hadith reported by Al-Bukhari and Muslim, No man should be alone with a woman except in the presence of her Mahram. A Mahram refers to a woman’s husband or a male relative who is permanently unmarriageable to her, such as her father, son, brother, paternal uncle, maternal uncle and the like.
The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) forbade this lest that Satan should make them fall into temptation and corruption making the sin fair-seeming to them. It is authentically reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said, No man should be in privacy with a woman, for the third of them is the devil. (Related by Imam Ahmad with a sound Sanad (chain of narrators)on the authority of `Umar ibn Al-Khattab (may Allah be pleased with him))
It is the duty of all those who live in countries where this practice is customary to strive and cooperate to get rid of this practice and eliminate its evil. By doing this, they will be guarding their honor, cooperating in righteousness and piety and carrying out the Commandments of Allah (may He be Glorified and Exalted) and His Messenger (peace be upon him). They should repent to Allah (may He be Glorified and Exalted) of what they have committed in the past and do their best in enjoining Ma`ruf (that which is judged as good, beneficial, or fitting by Islamic law and Muslims of sound intellect) and forbidding Munkar (that which is unacceptable or disapproved of by Islamic law and Muslims of sound intellect). They should remain constant in this and should not feel ashamed of defending the truth and defeating falsehood. They should not let the scorn or criticism of others deter them from defending the truth. It is mandatory upon a Muslim to follow
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Allah’s Shari`ah willingly, wishing for Allah’s Reward and fearing His Punishment even if the closest and dearest people to him disagree with him. It is not permissible to follow the whims and the traditions which Allah (may He be Glorified and Exalted) did not legislate, as Islam is the religion of the truth, guidance and justice. It calls for high moral standards, the best deeds and forbids what is contrary to that.
May Allah grant us and all Muslims guidance to what pleases Him. We seek refuge with Allah from the evils of ourselves and from our misdeeds for He is the Most Generous. May peace and blessings of Allah be upon our Prophet Muhammad, his family and Companions!
As-salamu `alaykum warahmatullah wabarakatuh!
Not easily readable but you will notice that atleast at the start, the quotations demand one thing: modesty.
Telling someone to be modest, to cover etc is not the same as segregation.
Back in the times of the prophet (saw), were the markets segregated? One stall for men, another for women?
More, there is a hadith where the prophet
was asked by a person who was renouned for his soup to come to a meal, the prophet 
replied that Ummul Mu'mineen hadhrat Aisha Siddeeqa (ra) is with him, is she invited? the sahabi said no and the prophet refused to go to the meal. the sahabi repeated the question to which the prophet 
responded with the same question and upon the same responce, the prophet 
declined again. The third time, the sahabi said yes, she was also invited and the prophet 
agreed.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
You have mention things which make it obligatory for chastity and modesty of women to be reserved. However the veiling of the Prophet's wives was an obligation for them due to their stature and the fact that they are the PROPHET'S WIVES.
Of course if all believing women veiled it would be good, but that does not mean if they don't they are committing a sin.
Also, you highlighted some Quranic verses in which Allah is addressing the Prophet directly and to his wives...
Segregation was not that much during the Prophet's time also, correct me if I'm wrong here, but the women were covered but not completely segregated.
Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.
Sure, women are not restricted from attending places where there are men, eg. a shopping mall, but there are strict prohibitions i.e of wearing the veil and not coming into contact with them unless necessary eg. buying something from a shop were the owner or cashier is a man, then obviously she would have to communicate with him.
But unfortunately today the modernist musim has made the "VEIL" something like "If you want to, but not necessary". I am totally against that view, the veil is necessary, and insha allah the time will come when every muslim women will adorn it. Ameen.
We can argue about it all we want, but for me these are sufficient proofs. I am not amongst those who says "Show me if it's haraam otherwise I will do it". If it is not encouraged there must be good enought reason for it. May allah help us. Ameen.
1. Allah says: "And when you ask the ladies for anything, ask them from before a screen. That makes for greater purity for your hearts and for theirs." [S�rah al-Ahzab: 53] For women to go about uncovered in the company of men is inarguably a gross violation of the command given in this verse.
2. It is prohibited for men to join women in one place in the absence of at least one of the women's close male relatives. The Prophet (peace be upon him) forbade men and women from being alone together. He said: "Never is a man alone with a woman except that Satan is the third party with them."
3. Once the Prophet (peace be upon him) saw men and women mixing together on the road upon their departure from the mosque. He said to the women: "Hold back a bit. You do not have to walk in the middle of the road. You may keep to the sides." The narrator of the hadith commented that after that time, women would come so close to the buildings that their dresses would sometime cling to the walls." [Sunan Abi Daw�d with a sound chain of transmission]
To PrincessMuslimah,
I say the girls only college, it is better for you. Sure it's not as good as the mixed colleges but that is the challenge of a believer, do you want to do that which is better for your aakhirah or that which is better for your worldly temporary 60 - 80 yr life even if that. The choice is yours. The path of Siratul Mustakeem is laden with difficulties and sacrifice. The world with is beauty and glamour are a constant distraction, put the the auliyah allah never loose sight. Aakhirah is the beginning and end for them, nothing else matters not even mountains of gold and silver. That is taqwa, cognisance of allah in everything we do, before we make a choice always checking if it is in conformance with shariah and if there is even a shadow of doubt we leave it out. May allah guide us and grant us taqwa. Ameen.
Never have I dealt with anything more difficult than my own soul, which sometimes helps me and sometimes opposes me.
-Imam Al-Ghazali
Since your education at this college is gnna be affecting what u do for a long time (uni etc...) I would say to go to the college where u can study what it is u want and that is good even it means going to the mixed one, cos I dnt think education is an area in ur life where u should be compromising....and as for mixing, people are mixing all the time, its not something u can exactly avoid unless u dedcided to stop living, which I wouldnt recommend u do by the way...besides i went to a mixed college and i managed to come out unscathed
let common sense prevail i say...lol!
"Verily, in the remembrance of Allah, do hearts find rest"
Astaghfirullah! Comprise wen it cumz to education? Excuse me but in islam u don't compromise with anything this iraynt a man made religion were u pik n choose wat suits u! Who knows best? Allah swt knows best for us that's why these rules are created when it comes to Islam I suggest u don't give 'opinion'
yes, but at the same time you are presenting your "opinion" that mixed education is haraam, where your evidence has not really backed that point up (and the same question can be reversed, it is not a mand made religion etc and that you cannot ban something that is allowed etc etc).
It is easy to shout, but generally those that shout fail to present the relevant evidence.
I must ask, if people went about the world according to how you see it, where would the female doctors come from?
If there are no female doctors, who would the women see when ill?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
So for a woman to be a docter she can only become one by going to mix colege uni etc?
I'm sorry if I came across a bit rude and shouting but the compromising statement got me a bit angry n dnt understand how a Muslim can encourage it
I don't know. Are there many segregated universities/medical colleges out there?
Even in saudi the scholars say that segregation is not necessary (a fatwa that was made when that new university was opened).
As I mentioned before, the Islamic requirements are on modesty etc - as long as people behave like good muslims, stick to islamic ettiquettes and dress codes etc, where is the problem?
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
ur taking this waaay out of context!
yh, i dnt think education is one of the things a person should compromise on. people go to mixed colleges and unis and probably any place theyre gnna be working at will be mixed as well...so what r u gnna do, not do any of these thing????
"Verily, in the remembrance of Allah, do hearts find rest"
Is pointless arguing with people such as
ANONYMOUS (dont even have the guts to use a name)
and zdc
thats what they think
tht women should be veiled up or locked in their homes
end of
stop arguing with people like that
I agree with Bijou
the prophet's wives had a different status than the rest of the women
anyhoo
theres no point debating with morons who dont even want to open their minds n learn
I dnt advise others to stop doing somefing if I do it maself I use to go to a mix colege n I repented it n I'm getin my qualifications thru a halal apprenticeship working only with ladies
My name is maryam and please do tell me how this has benefited you or how it makes a difference? Also as you claimed that I dnt wana learn n hav a open mind please educate me n do not insult me because I havnt insulted you in any way so please stay in your limits
Mashallah for following through on your convictions.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
So people who choose to follow the strict guidlines of shariah and sunnah are morons in your opinion??
The prophets wives who were the highest in stature amongst us were ordered to don the veil, even though their were the purest from among all of us, who can argue about their intentions and level of morality?? If the ruling of the veil applied to them then just imagine how many folds this must apply to the ordinary, weak, inclined towards sin people of today??
Are you saying our will power is stronger than theirs? or that we are less inclined towards sin that we can ignore a fundemental principle of Islam?? You have become so brain washed with all this female liberation mentality that you just can't see the point. But insha allah someday, allah will remove the veil from over your eyes and insha allah you and your progeny will don the veil with pride. Ameen.
Never have I dealt with anything more difficult than my own soul, which sometimes helps me and sometimes opposes me.
-Imam Al-Ghazali
Subhanallah, may allah strengthen you in your Imaan. It brings a level of comfort to me to see there still are people out there who will not sacrifice and more IMPORTANTLY BEND THE RULES OF SHARIAH to suit their own desires. Hold steadfast sister don't be shaken by these rude and confused people. Remember the hadith of Rasool Sallalahu Allaihi Wassalam,
It was narrated from Abu Tha`labah Al-Khushani that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said:
“After you there will come the days of patience (i.e., days which require patience). Patience during those (days) will be like grasping a live coal. During those (days) the reward for the one who adheres to the Commands of Allah will be equivalent to the reward of fifty men who did an action like his.” He said, “O Messenger of Allah, the reward of fifty of them?” He said, “The reward of fifty of you.” (Reported by Abu Dawud, 4341; Ibn Majah, 4014.)
Never have I dealt with anything more difficult than my own soul, which sometimes helps me and sometimes opposes me.
-Imam Al-Ghazali
“Islam began as something strange, and it shall return to being something strange, so give glad tidings to the strangers.”
The Meaning of “Strangeness”
Many times in many situations the people that follow the religion of Allah feel a sense of not belonging, of being out of place, of not fitting in, and, in other words, of being strange. This feeling could occur in a gathering of non-Muslims, but, unfortunately, this feeling sometimes also occurs when one is with his fellow Muslims. A person sees his brothers and sisters doing acts that are contrary to Islam, or taking part in innovations that sometimes even border on kufr (apostasy), yet he feels that he does not have enough power or courage to stop them in these acts. Some brothers and sisters, especially if they do not have enough taqwa or Islamic knowledge, sometimes buckle under the pressure of their peers and join in these acts, knowing that this is not what Allah wants them to do. However, feeling helpless, since it seems that they are alone in their ideas and without any support to help them do what is right, they succumb to such pressures.
These brothers and sisters, may Allah have mercy on them, should take consolation in the verses of the Qur’an and the many statements of the Prophet (peace be upon him) describing this very situation of strangeness that they feel.
Never have I dealt with anything more difficult than my own soul, which sometimes helps me and sometimes opposes me.
-Imam Al-Ghazali
Sorry for making you open this post. I've deleted everything I wrote.
Your own soul is nourished when you are kind; it is destroyed when you are cruel.
Ur taking what I said out of contxt
I'm simply saying that people who are so so orthodox or so unwilling to have an open debate no matter what- we shouldt even bother debating with them
because they wont change no matter what
at the end of the day
only the Lord knows what is in our hearts
nobody else
Asalaam alaikum sister its not that we won't change our minds give evidence according to Quran sunnaj and hadith and InshAllah we will act according to it Buh the reason y we won't change our mind in this matter is bcuz the evidence is sufficient for us and we have to stay on the haqq and enjoin the good and forbid the evil. I understand its realy hard to give up better education I went thru it myself Buh u feel so much better knowing ur on the truth and knowing that ur not constantly sinning if u wer in a mixed environment
What about little children (boys and girls) playing together? Do you think thats wrong too? :S :/
"How many people find fault in what they're reading and the fault is in their own understanding" Al Mutanabbi
but automatically u are saying by default that getting an education in a mixed college is haram...which it isnt.
"Verily, in the remembrance of Allah, do hearts find rest"
It is haraam. And young children should not be encouraged to play with the opposite gender but its not haraam as their sins do not count till they've started puberty. It's not about what I think or say you its what Islam says
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