It's not questionable, since it's in a hadith its gotta be the truth whatever you think!
Never thought about it.
women tend to moan more...

Yep its totally true... ¬_¬

Im not taking a dig at women here so chill out. I <3 women really

But in my experience guys can be happy with their lot, with whatever Allah (swt) gives them. Women tend to be a lil more ambitious and this can make them ungrateful for what they have. Just an observation.

*editt. Stupid illiterate younger days when i thought i knew better*

another way to look at the majority angle is one of numbers... while men and women are currently close to 50/50 in number, it is also said that closer to the end of time, the balance could be tilted to something like 50 women for every man on earth or something.

Now here, for there to be an even number of men and women who fall to the dark side, women would practically have to be angels.

So lets not judge the content of ahadith. It is not always simple.

You wrote:

another way to look at the majority angle is one of numbers... while men and women are currently close to 50/50 in number, it is also said that closer to the end of time, the balance could be tilted to something like 50 women for every man on earth or something.

Now here, for there to be an even number of men and women who fall to the dark side, women would practically have to be angels.

So lets not judge the content of ahadith. It is not always simple.

So what you're saying is there are times when it is actually that simple... not always but there are time when it is...

Something interesting and humourous i came across:

A store that sells husbands has just opened in New York City, where a woman may go to choose a husband. Among the instructions at the entrance is a description of how the store operates:

You may visit the store ONLY ONCE!

There are six floors and the attributes of the men increase as the shopper ascends the flights. There is, however, a catch. You may choose any man from a particular floor, or you may choose to go up a floor, but you cannot go back down except to exit the building!

So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband. On the first floor the sign on the door reads:

Floor 1 - These men have jobs and love the Lord.

The second floor sign reads:

Floor 2 - These men have jobs, love the Lord, and love kids.

The third floor sign reads:

Floor 3 - These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, and are extremely good looking.

'Wow,' she thinks, but feels compelled to keep going. She goes to the fourth floor and sign reads:

Floor 4 - These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, are drop-dead good looking and help with the housework.

'Oh, mercy me!' she exclaims, 'I can hardly stand it!' Still, she goes to the fifth floor and sign reads:

Floor 5 - These men have jobs, love the Lord, love kids, are drop-dead gorgeous, help with the housework, and have a strong romantic streak.

She is so tempted to stay, but she goes to the sixth floor and the sign reads:

Floor 6 - You are visitor 4,363,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you for shopping at the Husband Store. Watch your step as you exit the building, and have a nice day!

That could work in the opposite direction too, as no one will willingly settle for second best without reason, so if they think thye can get better, the onus is on them to get it.

wow

so the revival has become mysoginistic...?

u think women are ungrateful

maybe we have reasons to moan a lot
did u ever consider that

but what about men?
they have a hundred girls on the go cos one is never enough
or more than one wife
because they "feel like it"

granted
there r ungrateful women
but there are also ungrateful men

n please dont quote random hadiths
without knowing the context and validity etc

erm i agree with You, not just because i'm a woman, but because i've actually read an explanation of this hadith before, long time ago. It did mention the same reason You mentioned numbers i.e more women than men in the population hence more could be accounted for being in hell.

As for women moaning more, women may moan more. But is it really moaning or asking politely for some help? If a woman asks politely for some help with household chores a typical man will grunt mm yeah in a minute. That minute will turn into an hour, then the woman will repeat herself, hence she will be called a nag. Now is that fair? I could just as well say men are more lazy than women, that wouldn't go down well.

you know it may sound really petty but this sort of thing leads to marriage breakdowns. i know soo many women who'se husbands don't lift a finger to help, and when they do better believe it they will want a certificate of achievement for vacuuming one room, and they will remind you of this great achievement everyday, "remember when i last did the vacuum it was 2006 on april 3rd". Yet when the wife does vacuuming, cooking, cleaning, raising kids they don't ask for recognition but even if they did, very few of them would receive it.

So i think we need to be careful about assuming we know the meaning of a hadith on face value, its not always as simple as that. i mean men can be just as ungrateful as women.

i agree with 1r4m

Hajjar wrote:

...If a woman asks politely for some help with household chores a typical man will grunt mm yeah in a minute. That minute will turn into an hour...

:oops:

You wrote:

:oops:

lets keep this atmosphere...

You wrote:

another way to look at the majority angle is one of numbers... while men and women are currently close to 50/50 in number, it is also said that closer to the end of time, the balance could be tilted to something like 50 women for every man on earth or something.

Now here, for there to be an even number of men and women who fall to the dark side, women would practically have to be angels.

So lets not judge the content of ahadith. It is not always simple.

It seems you have only read the first line of the hadith. Please re-read then comment. Don't try to change the basic meaning of the hadith because you dislike it.

Women, just can't accept anything, they must ALWAYS ARGUE!!
I once heard in a lecture, even on the day of qiyamah they will argue with allah and blame their fathers, brothers, husbands and sons for their faults and weaknesses. Go fiqure.

I suppose its cos of the challenges and demands that are placed upon women which causes them to complain more..

An average woman has to leave her friends and family and put her husbands and his needs/family first...she has go through pregnancy and childbirth...be responsible for managing her house...some will be trying to juggle a career at the same time...the main upbringing and teaching of the children rests mainly on her...she has to juggle the role of being a duaghter, wife, mother, daughter in law etc...and on top of all that, look pretty and thin at all times (as dictated by the media)....and only a few women would be lucky enough to have a husband or support structure that helps her manage all this.

So if women are struggling with all of the above on their own, you cant really blame them for moaning about it every now and again.

MuslimSister wrote:

I suppose its cos of the challenges and demands that are placed upon women which causes them to complain more..

An average woman has to leave her friends and family and put her husbands and his needs/family first...she has go through pregnancy and childbirth...be responsible for managing her house...some will be trying to juggle a career at the same time...the main upbringing and teaching of the children rests mainly on her...she has to juggle the role of being a duaghter, wife, mother, daughter in law etc...and on top of all that, look pretty and thin at all times (as dictated by the media)....and only a few women would be lucky enough to have a husband or support structure that helps her manage all this.

So if women are struggling with all of the above on their own, you cant really blame them for moaning about it every now and again.

Totally. I agree...

zdc wrote:

Women, just can't accept anything, they must ALWAYS ARGUE!!
I once heard in a lecture, even on the day of qiyamah they will argue with allah and blame their fathers, brothers, husbands and sons for their faults and weaknesses. Go fiqure.

life can be hard for everyone. i mean the husband has the responsibility of looking after the whole family, making sure thy are provided for, have a roof over there head etc etc - thats a BIG responsibility!
what about unmarried women who complain?
I don't think women a have more reasons to moan than men.

lots of talk of men do this, women do thast. im guetting bored and annoyed of it all.

i really dont have much else to say. except i need to read this article called "what is sociology?"

i agree with MuslimSis.i think women have more reasons to complain. Those men saying they don't paleeze get married and if you're already married take care of the children and run the house for a week. Don't slack do exactly what she does to the same standards, most of you whimps won't last past 2 days.

If it's role reversal well i think women are more than capable of working outside the home and tackling the home, they have the ability to multi task,that's a fact. Men don't, hence they can bring in the money. But once the work bell rings come 5pm, they will go home put feet up and do jack all until it's time for bed. Whereas a working woman will finish work, pick up the kids prepare dinner, do cleaning chores then finally sit down for hot drink before it's time for next day. So men in general have what exactly to moan about?

Hajjar wrote:

i agree with MuslimSis.i think women have more reasons to complain. Those men saying they don't paleeze get married and if you're already married take care of the children and run the house for a week. Don't slack do exactly what she does to the same standards, most of you whimps won't last past 2 days.

If it's role reversal well i think women are more than capable of working outside the home and tackling the home, they have the ability to multi task,that's a fact. Men don't, hence they can bring in the money. But once the work bell rings come 5pm, they will go home put feet up and do jack all until it's time for bed. Whereas a working woman will finish work, pick up the kids prepare dinner, do cleaning chores then finally sit down for hot drink before it's time for next day. So men in general have what exactly to moan about?

Yeah right, I work with women, they get really grumpy when they can't handle all the stress of work and home.

zdc wrote:

Hajjar wrote:

i agree with MuslimSis.i think women have more reasons to complain. Those men saying they don't paleeze get married and if you're already married take care of the children and run the house for a week. Don't slack do exactly what she does to the same standards, most of you whimps won't last past 2 days.

If it's role reversal well i think women are more than capable of working outside the home and tackling the home, they have the ability to multi task,that's a fact. Men don't, hence they can bring in the money. But once the work bell rings come 5pm, they will go home put feet up and do jack all until it's time for bed. Whereas a working woman will finish work, pick up the kids prepare dinner, do cleaning chores then finally sit down for hot drink before it's time for next day. So men in general have what exactly to moan about?

Yeah right, I work with women, they get really grumpy when they can't handle all the stress of work and home.

now we know...

ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE wrote:

zdc wrote:

Women, just can't accept anything, they must ALWAYS ARGUE!!
I once heard in a lecture, even on the day of qiyamah they will argue with allah and blame their fathers, brothers, husbands and sons for their faults and weaknesses. Go fiqure.

And where was that
the International let's hate women day convention?
[quote=ThE pOwEr Of SiLeNcE
life can be hard for everyone. i mean the husband has the responsibility of looking after the whole family, making sure thy are provided for, have a roof over there head etc etc - thats a BIG responsibility!
what about unmarried women who complain?
I don't think women a have more reasons to moan than men.

Are u kidding me

Men just go out to work
that 's it

they dont do anything else

whta od women do
let's see
childbirth
raising children
cooking
cleaning
pleasing the husband
menstruation
menopause

and we're not allowe4d to complain wen all that is too much and stressful
we're supposed to do it all with a big smile on our faces and never once complain

men are more ungrateful
they get bored easily and look for other women

Everyone should stop complaining start saying Alhamdulillah more often.

(and read my signature )

Ocean wrote:

@SBF; Interesting, what made you discuss this? WHat do you think?

@Iram; I like to think I'm a "woman" but that's not what I do... but I know of a lot of women who do and they seriously don't mind it. They actually prefer being the fragile ones, the ones who make a man's house home. Sounds gay.

im not saying theres anything wrong with it

find where I wrote that
what im saying is

we have it harder

and before anyone says anything

I would like to make a house a "home" too if I get married
it's nice
but it takes more than just a woman doing all that to make it homely

and I dont see how being a homemaker means ur fragile

I personally think that women are the stronger sex

Ocean wrote:

@SBF; Interesting, what made you discuss this? WHat do you think?

@Iram; I like to think I'm a "woman" but that's not what I do... but I know of a lot of women who do and they seriously don't mind it. They actually prefer being the fragile ones, the ones who make a man's house home. Sounds gay.

im not saying theres anything wrong with it

find where I wrote that
what im saying is

we have it harder

and before anyone says anything

I would like to make a house a "home" too if I get married
it's nice
but it takes more than just a woman doing all that to make it homely

and I dont see how being a homemaker means ur fragile

I personally think that women are the stronger sex

i4rm is on a roll i agree with all she's said, you go sister!.

Ocean wrote:

aww how cute

whats cute, and who patronised you

Rather than taking the Hadith too literally it's better to be wary of the message/warning it's trying to show: be grateful! Simple. Same goes for men, it's not something to be snooty about. Obviously the population has to be taken into account.

DaMn right thr ungrateful nd alwsts whinig bout sumfin as this blog has proved