i don't blame Geert Wilders for these views I blame the Muslims who attacked people:

"malik" wrote:

an attack over the weekend by two Moroccans and a Somali on a young Iranian-born politician who heads a Dutch group for "ex-Muslims" had spurred him to write.

The attack on Ehsan Jami, 22, caused an outcry in the Netherlands, where the November 2004 murder of Theo Van Gogh, a filmmaker critical of Islam, by a Dutch-Moroccan Muslim militant led to an anti-Muslim backlash and exposed social tensions.

how can we blame non-muslims for thinking Islam is a violent, intolerant religion, when they have hundreds examples of muslims acting violently and showing intolerance!

Some muslim people use violence and suddenly its Islam thats evil.

Somebody else is violent and no one says a thing about their religion.

Its the point of view of this Pro-American government. Trying to turn muslims into scapegoats.

But alot of inteligent people (muslim & non-muslim) see through this charade.

If murderers frequently cited the First Amendment you might call it evil and demand it be changed. If murderers frequently cite the Qu'ran...

So the Qu'ran probably isn't evil, but disbelief at the suggestion seems to betray a lack of real concern and more a desire to nourish enmity. Would malik do that? "Kaafirs don't stick to their own rules" must be one of the stupidest things I ever read, central though it is to backward Islamist ideologies.

"Joie de Vivre" wrote:

So the Qu'ran probably isn't evil

There’s no probably about it, it isn’t!
They were saying about banning the Qu'ran when Al Qae'da first carried out a terrorist attack on America. I doubt they will because they going to have a war on their hands. No Muslim will stand by and let the non-Muslims destroy the holy Qu'ran. I think it is wrong for non-Muslims to blame the Qu'ran for "so called" Muslim terrorists attacks on the Kaffirs. Yes many terrorists do use the holy Qu'ran and Islam to justify their actions (they are just spineless cowards and they will get their punishment) but Islam is about peace! Some of the terrorist that are converts probably haven’t even read the Qu'ran, they probably just been to one of those extremist camps where they have been brain washed into thinking they are fighting a jihad (aka translated by some as meaning a holy war but to many means to striving in the way of god which can mean give Zakat, build a mosque, pray namaaz NOT blowing oneself up!).
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I hate people who do not respect other cultures. And the Dutch!

in the USSR they successfully banned they Quran.

I heard a brother talking about how his uncle went there to study in the 1960s/70s. the Soviets allowed foreign students to have the Quran , but not Russians.

some Russian Muslims sneaked up to him one night and whispered to him if he could give them a single page of the Quran so they might be able to keep it with them, secretly, in their basement. Even though they couldn't read Arabic, they used to run their fingers along the text in the hope of gaining Allah's (swt) reward.

If they'd been caught the punishment would have been severe to say the least.

Make du'aa for all the Muslims living in former Soviet countries and Chechnya, who's culture and history was torn apart in the space of a few decade by the Kafirun (i feel this is a corrct place to use that word).

It doesnt matter anyway.

Banning it would probably have the reverse affect.

More people would want to read it.

Seraphim, by that logic Saudi Arabia should be heaving with Christians.

The Qu'ran won't be banned, and nor should it. Geert shouldn't be banned (however that works) either. (I haven't voted in this stupid poll.)

"Joie de Vivre" wrote:

Seraphim, by that logic Saudi Arabia should be heaving with Christians.

The Qu'ran won't be banned, and nor should it. Geert shouldn't be banned (however that works) either. (I haven't voted in this stupid poll.)

Im sure theres plenty of Christians in the Arab world.... Saudi Arabia being no exception.

Syria is I think the best example I've come across of Christians and Muslims living side-by-side in [b]actual [/b]harmony.

In Alleppo there is the 'Tawhid Mosque' which has 4 minarets, and under each minaret is a church!

The Ummayad mosque in Damascus was 1/2 church and 1/2 mosque for hundreds of years, (eventually the Muslims bought the other half of it) and even now it is full of Christian worshippers who visit it for the Tomb off John the Baptist - Maqam Nabiyya Yahya (as).

There was also a thriving and integrated Jewish community from about 800AD - 1946!

The government there are a shambles, though.

Seraphim, my point is that you cannot take a Bible to Saudi Arabia, and by your logic that encourages people to read the Bible. Whereas it actually makes Bibles pretty scarce.

Ya'qub, from what I've read that sounds right. It must be a beautiful place.

"Ya'qub" wrote:

in the USSR they successfully banned they Quran.

I heard a brother talking about how his uncle went there to study in the 1960s/70s. the Soviets allowed foreign students to have the Quran , but not Russians.

some Russian Muslims sneaked up to him one night and whispered to him if he could give them a single page of the Quran so they might be able to keep it with them, secretly, in their basement. Even though they couldn't read Arabic, they used to run their fingers along the text in the hope of gaining Allah's (swt) reward.

If they'd been caught the punishment would have been severe to say the least.

Make du'aa for all the Muslims living in former Soviet countries and Chechnya, who's culture and history was torn apart in the space of a few decade by the Kafirun (i feel this is a corrct place to use that word).

Sometimes we forget how good we have it here.

Geert Wilders claims that the Quran is a "fascist" book. Not only is what he's saying a total JOKE, but he's a fascist himself. How the hell are we supposed to take him seriously? That's the thing with fascists, they do the arrogant talk, but when you challenge them they drop!
You know I think, if everyone challenged racism and extremism then we'd all enjoy chatting to each other.

it's funny how dutch loud mouths get more publicity OUTSIDE Holland then they do in Holland.

Holland is a great country, sure it has it problems, but it is a 1000 times better then any Muslim country.

Malik is such a poll appropriate on an ISLAMIC forum?

I voted for the ban

I didn't call for the Qu'ran to be banned.

"I" wrote:

The Qu'ran won't be banned, and nor should it.

I pointed out that the Qu'ran is often associated with violent behaviour and filthy prejudice against "kafirs", perhaps only by the stupid and irresponsible. The Torah, although some do cite it to support noxious opinions, tends not to be cited by Israel in support of military action.

If you were responding to what I wrote instead of what you imagine I wrote, why, we could almost be having an intelligent conversation.