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Should Shaykh Yusuf al Qaradawi be allowed to come to the UK?
Published by Sajid Iqbal on 18 July, 2005 - 20:35
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Assallamu Allaikum
[b]Controversial cleric to visit UK
Youssef al Qaradawi
A controversial Muslim cleric who has supported the use of child suicide bombers in the Middle East has been invited to speak in Manchester. [/b]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/4693833.stm
so what do you think?
should he be allowed in the country?
are his views controversial?
is he not a 'moderate'?
was it wise for Muslims to invite him NOW so soon after the London attacks?
is this hype on the media out of order?
share your views
wasalaam
Well I don't really think much of him but I'm suprised that he's being linked to al-qaeda cos the salafis and salafi qutbis really hate him.
He's not controversial.
Stop playing to the media.
Oh, and big deal.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
salaam
Admin my old chap,
condoning children suicide bombers is not controversial?
mmmmh...
wasalaam
has this guy actually said he supports the use of child suicide bombers? if yes then...
tut tut Admin...if thats not controversial then what the heck is???
But he has not said that.
All he has said is that suicide attacks in Israel are understandable. He may have supported them, but I am not sure. Either way most muslims (including scholars) have the view they are allowed in Israel.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Also why should muslims change their views to accomodate others?
Should we distance ourselves from all types of jihad? Should we say oppression is better than freedom? Homosexuality is a favourable form of lifestyle? Drinking alcohol is good as it promotes unity?
Should we accept all the shit thrown at our face? (Incidentally I had a thrown at me by a speeding motorist when I was waiting for the bus....).
I am sorry, but like it or lump it, Islam is NOT a social club! WE DO NOT CHANGE RULES TO ALLOW A LARGER MEMBERSHIP. We do not change the rules to gain wider acceptance. We do not change the rules to make it more palletable for nonmuslims. We do not change the rules to legitemise the double standards world we live in. We do not change the rules. Full stop.
Islam is the truth. It can hurt. It will hurt. You can't start shaping it to further your own objectionable goals.
You are then just legitimising groups that call them revisionists, or contemporaries who try to hold Islam hostage to their desires.
There is a reason why Qaradawi has been invited to the UK. And its not to kiss the establishments ass.
Ed read your own turkey you wrote. You can't blame the scholars, when you don't let then preach the true maning of Islam.
One minute he is being criticised for not taking a hard enough stance (head scarves in France), the next for being a hardliner! Thats the middle path when both sides criticise you.
(Mods you can edit it if you like.)
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
well said admin.
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excellant post and very true..
salaam
i disagree with Admin,
if u come on TV, and especially Newsnight, and say using child suicide bombers is good, allowed in Islam, and a way to please God- then expect to get battered by the media.
The view that suicide bombings are allowed in Islam is a minority view. Shaykh Tantawi, Grand Mufti of Al Azhar, is one of many who say ssuicide attacks , including in Israel, are tottally forbidden in Islam.
What Qaradawi should have said was he can understand why the suicide attacks occur, due to oppression, occupation etc but not condone or promote them.
Admin, Islam is not a social club- true..... but its not a religion of terrorists, suicide bombers either- and that is the image that Qaradawi has portrayed. The suicide bombers in Israel dont even target the army but civilains, kids, mothers in hotels, restaurants, buses etc..... and as we know even in war Muslims can not kill non combatants, civilians, children, women, the elderly, the priests etc....
,,,anyway, expect plenty of attacks on Islam and the Muslims in the next few weeks, months...because of Qaradawi's unwise comments.
wasalaam
Qaradawi said, 'Israel has the nuclear bomb, but we have the child bomb'. Has he clarified this to say that he meant 'we have child suicide bombers' rather than a, excuse the pun, 'booming population'?
no1 is saying that we can or will change the rules of Islam
what does Islam say about suicide?
even though in the case of Israel-Palestine conflict we can understand and even sympathise with the suicide bombers...but does that make it right?
if it is right..fair enough...but is it right 2 approve of it openly? like this guy has supposedly done?
i mean doesnt approving of it...encourage other Muslims (British etc etc) 2 do the same?
i havnt got the answers...i just want 2 know what people think about this
Salaam
[b]Al-Qaradawi full transcript:[/b]
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/3875119.stm
To some he is a pre-eminent Muslim scholar who has visited London for many years without fuss. To others he's nothing but trouble, a man who uses religion to justify suicide bombings and who should be banned from Britain as he is banned from the United States.
Sheikh Yusef al-Qaradawi is an Egyptian cleric who greeted his audience in London with the words "peace - the message of Islam." But in an exclusive interview with Newsnight he spoke of suicide bombings by Palestinians as "martyrdom in the name of God."
The row over his visit has overshadowed the Home Secretary David Blunkett's attempts to re-introduce a measure to outlaw incitement to religious hatred.
Peter Marshall reported on the man, his message, and the reaction.
PETER MARSHALL:
He's been to London many times, but suddenly his presence has stirred a political storm. Sheikh Yusuf Al- Qaradawi was all bemusement as he arrived to address Muslim scholars. The press had welcomed him as "evil", a devil who supports child bombers. The politicians were none too keen when he was topic A in the Commons.
MICHAEL HOWARD MP:
(Leader, Conservative Party)
Does the Prime Minister agree with me that someone who backs child suicide bombings and is banned from the United States because of his alleged terrorist Links, should not be allowed into this country?
TONY BLAIR:
Let me make it clear. We want nothing to do with people who support suicide bombers in Palestine or elsewhere, or support terrorists, so my Right Honourable Friend has to take his decision according to the relevant criteria, he will do that. I am not going to comment further on the case.
MARSHALL:
It was odd then to see the Sheikh, centre stage, honorary speaker at a conference devoted to modernising Islam. The Sheikh was eager to talk of Islam's links to and regard for Christians and Jews, so he asked why all the fuss?
[b]SHEIKH YUSEF AL-QARADAWI
(Qatar University)[/b]
TRANSLATION:
It is not strange for me to visit London and London is an open city, it welcomes everybody so why is this row when I visit London today?
MARSHALL:
The arrival of Dr Qaradawi provides a perfect if rather worrying opportunity to examine the state of Muslim/non- Muslim relations, for this is a scholar who was one of the first to condemn the September 11th attacks on America. Yet he's also condoned suicide bombings in the Middle East. It's over the likes of Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi that the politics of theology meet the morality of guerilla warfare, or if you like, terrorism. This is where the word of God is interpreted in the mind of man. The Sheikh is one of the Muslim world's pre-eminent theologians so researching suicide bombings, last month Newsnight went to his home in Qatar to ask why he had formed the view that Islam permitted such attacks in Israel.
SHEIKH YUSEF AL-QARADAWI
(Qatar University)
TRANSLATION:
[b]It's not suicide, it is martyrdom in the name of God,[/b] Islamic theologians and jurisprudents have debated this issue. Referring to it as a form of jihad, under the title of jeopardising the life of the mujahideen. It is allowed to jeopardise your soul and cross the path of the enemy and be killed.
MARSHALL:
In the mind of Sheikh Yusuf Al- Qaradawi, that view prevails even though women and children are often the innocent victims.
SHEIKH YUSEF AL-QARADAWI
TRANSLATION:
Israeli women are not like women in our society because Israeli women are militarised. Secondly, [b]I consider this type of martyrdom operation as indication of justice of Allah almighty. Allah is just. Through his infinite wisdom he has given the weak what the strong do not possess and that is the ability to turn their bodies into bombs like the Palestinians do. [/b]
MARSHALL:
Of course not every Muslim thinker agrees with the Sheikh, Mufti Barkatullah is a senior Imam at the North Finchley Mosque.
[b]
MUFTI BARKATULLAH:[/b]
(Senior Imam, North Finchley Mosque)
Any act of violence which makes innocent people victim is not allowed. This position has been and always will be throughout Islam for the last 1,500 years. No new person or a scholar can ever change this position.
MARSHALL:
Back to the Sheikh, and the Middle East, what does he think of suicide attacks in Iraq?
SHEIKH YUSEF AL-QARADAWI
TRANSLATION:
If the Iraqis can confront the enemy, there is no need for these acts of martyrdom. If they don't have the means, acts of martyrdom are allowed. I didn't say that the Iraqis cannot, it depends on their need.
MARSHALL:
If most UK politicians were running from Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, the London Mayor was not.
KEN LIVINGSTONE:
(Mayor of London)
You are truly welcome, welcome to London, a city of all faiths.
MARSHALL:
And others at the Conference were similarly supportive.
YUSRA KHREEGI:
(Research student)
I think people will it find that very strange he is seen as an extremist. He is well-known for his moderate and balanced views. Many times he has condemned terrorism. In Europe, he is known to promote integration and positive participation in society.
SYED TOHEL AHMED
(Islamic Forum Europe)
He is a mainstream scholar, that is respected throughout the world and he is not an extreme and doesn't express any extreme views or interpret text in an extreme way.
MARSHALL:
So we went back to the Sheikh for clarification of his views, was suicide bombing legitimate in Iraq?
SHEIKH YUSEF AL-QARADAWI
TRANSLATION:
In Palestine the need is there, in Iraq today the need is not there.
REPORTER:
Who decides if the need is there? Who makes that decision?
SHEIKH YUSEF AL-QARADAWI
TRANSLATION:
The influential figures within a given community, the leaders and the scholars, they meet and decide.
REPORTER:
Who decides who is the leader? Is it Osama Bin Laden who makes the decisions, or is it the Sheikh who makes the decision?
SHEIKH YUSEF AL-QARADAWI
TRANSLATION:
He is talking about the community in the given location, so in Iraq it is the Iraqis who decide.
REPORTER:
Which Iraqis?
SHEIKH YUSEF AL-QARADAWI
TRANSLATION:
As in the case of Palestine, factions, or groups, like Hamas, when they considered this method, they went to the people of knowledge and asked them whether Islamically that was lawful or not lawful, when the case was explained to them, they were told that there is a necessity and therefore in their situation, it is permissable.
REPORTER:
These ideas of people of knowledge do not translate very easily to western society. People are elected. People of knowledge is a bit loose.
SHEIKH YUSEF AL-QARADAWI
TRANSLATION:
It is a different form of democracy. How do you expect in a war situation where people have their land occupied, where they are homeless, how do you expect they will be able to set up democratic institutions in order to take decisions?
MARSHALL:
It is, as the Sheikh would doubtless agree, all a matter of interpretation, of the Koran, and of his view of the Koran. But Sheikh Yusuf Al-Qaradawi is, it's worth reiterating, deemed an authority on these matters, generally seen, we're assured and reassured, as mainstream.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This transcript was produced from the teletext subtitles that are generated live for Newsnight. It has been checked against the programme as broadcast, however Newsnight can accept no responsibility for any factual inaccuracies. We will be happy to correct serious errors.
wasalaam
Mr Admin read the above^^^
no one's saying that Muslims shud kiss up to the govermnet or change their beliefs
but the above is EXTREMLY controversial
its one thing saying "I can see where they come from" but another thing totally justifying it
all of the above just asks for it-
and its BECAUSE all of the above that Muslims get abused and have crap thrown in their face
i agree
So you're saying he should say different things in front of different interviewers? Do you want him to lie?
In Israel they are martyrdom attacks.
The child bomb, as Irfan suggested is IMO the booming population. I have seen it suggested as this many a time.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
no one's saying he shud lie
but nor should be expose his extreme sentiments in public-
he shud just keep his mouth shut
So wen asked his views he should pull an AbdusSalam?
btw his sentiments are not extreme, but based on reality.
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
erm, way i see it he's blunt..
suicide.. theres dat 'definition of the word' debate.. long ting we been thru it in the old forums.
killing of innocents is not right, i'm not sure on this, but i don't think he's ever argued that killing of innocents is ok.. maybe im wrong i dunno..
its quite a tricky one.. mp's here in my opinion argue along the same lines.. i.e. i believe bombing entire cities is 'murder', maybe even 'genocide', but mp's in the uk justify their murders and genocides by stating its warfare..
im sure there is a fine line drawn somewhere by Allah(swt), unfortunatly not everyone agree's on where to draw it..
[b][i]Round and round the Ka'bah,
Like a good Sahabah,
One step, Two step,
All the way to jannah[/i][/b]
Just to add, a quote from the next issue of The Revival:
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
Charles Clarke has just said that Yusuf al-Qaradawi will not visit the UK.
But if he wanted to come to this country in the future then the Home Secretary would consider whether his visit was 'conducive to the public good'.
In the eyes of the gov Yusuf al-Qaradawi is now on a par with Louis Farakhan. :shock:
"For too long, we have been a passively tolerant society, saying to our citizens 'as long as you obey the law, we will leave you alone'" - David Cameron, UK Prime Minister. 13 May 2015.
I need a reference where al Qaradawi said “Israel has the nuclear bomb, but we have the child bomb”
I am an international relations students and I need a reference to verify the statement. If available please email mnhendricks@uwc.ac.za. I thank you